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Do It Yourself (DIY) Backdrop

 
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Dec 05, 2009 12:35 |  #1

Part 1

I’ve been wanting a backdrop for some time now, but really can’t afford to spend $200 for the stands, and $50 for the muslin (which is better spent on a new lens), so I decided to Google some DIY versions and came up with a couple of good plans:

Thanks to Jeff Geerling for his blog post on a DIY backdrop.
http://www.lifeisapray​er.com …otography/diy-greenscreen (external link)

And also to Brian L. Zimmerman for his project:
http://www.diyphotogra​phy.net …-cheap-diy-backdrop-stand (external link)

Besides, I enjoy making things and educating myself along the way – so I scribbled up some plans that are a modest hybrid of the 2 links provided above. I used to use a painter’s drop-cloth strung between 2 ropes, and the results were “ok”, but I was ready for something that will hopefully produce better results. I ordered some muslin from Adorama ($45 ), and got everything else at Lowes (I’m sure Home Depot pricing would be similar). The total cost of this project (including the muslin was about $95, and I had a blast making it.

Anyhow, I thought I’d detail my construction here in the hopes that it will be helpful to another POTN member.


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Basic parts from Lowes.
(4) five foot lengths of 1.25 inch PVC
(4) five foot lengths of 1 inch PVC
(8 )End Caps (1.25)
(2) 4 way connectors (1.25)
(2) 3 way connectors (1.25)
(2) elbow joints (1)
(2) 1 inch connectors (1 is a backup in case I lose the other)

I purchased PVC that was a little thicker than the other plans called for, you can of course adjust to your own taste.


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Some Gorilla glue (very strong stuff), 4 clamps to pull the muslin tight, some painters tape (just useful to hold things together without leaving sticky stuff behind), and 2 “hitch pins”. You can use regular hitch pins that have a “cotter pin”, but these are might simpler as there are no parts to chase after. It’s a self contained pin.


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Sanding off the unslightly pipe markings, and stick stuff left behind by the pricing stickers. Probably not necessary, but I wanted a cleaner finish. You MUST sand the pipes where they will be glued to other parts. You need to rough up the plastic so that the glue has something to grab.


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Cutting the legs (8 total – 4 for each stand). The blue tape give me nice guideline to follow, and prevents chipping.


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Parts all sanded, vacuumed clean – and then wiped down with a damp rag. The PVC dust is very fine, and clings to everything.


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Gorilla glue expands like CRAZY, so you need to be sparing with it. I only applied glue to the female parts of things, so the glue would be effectively pushed into the cavities.


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Caps for the legs glued, and the 2 elbow joints (crossbar) glued and setting up.

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Dec 05, 2009 12:36 |  #2

Part 2


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4 way joints and 3 way joints glued with legs and caps. A small section of 1 inch PVC will be glued between these.


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When you glue the 3 and 4 way joints together you want to make sure that the stand hole is perfectly vertical. I pushed the 2 side legs in (not glued), and then the side stand (not glued) and used a level to make sure everything was 90 degrees.


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After carefully removing the stands, I’m letting the glue set up. The cross legs can be removed (they are just pushed in) for easy transport.


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Drilling holes for the hitch pins – about 6 inched from the top of each stand. These are 1/4 inch hitch pins, so the holes are 5/16th.


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Painter’s tape makes a good guide for drilling the holes for the TOP part of the stands. Peels right off after drilling.


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Assembled parts ready to go. I decided to shoot this out on the deck where the light was better, and I had more room to fuss with things. Thankfully there was no wind. Again, the legs and stands fit very snuggly into their female parts, and no glue is needed.


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Legs in, stands in place, The upper half of the stands (1 inch) fit nicely into the 1.25 inch pipes. Simple as pie.


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Close up of one of the stands (top half) with hitch pin in place. Fits like a glove, as long as you have drilled the holes straight. This extends up to 9.5 feet in height.

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Dec 05, 2009 12:38 |  #3

Part 3

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The crossbar is simply 2 five foot lengths of 1” PVC. This little connector is strong enough to hold them together firmly, though If need be I can use some of that painter’s tape to reinforce them. Really not needed though. This also allows me to have a shorter cross bar if I want to go with a 5 foot wide piece of muslin.


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Dry run of the stand, which seems mighty firm. Muslin comes next.


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Muslin added, clamps in place. I’ll need to wash and iron this fabric, and it has some wrinkles. Almost no sag to the center crossbar (which makes me glad I went with the heavier PVC).


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Self portrait with the wife’s S5IS point and shoot. The light leaks through the muslin just a little bit, but should be fine for studio work.

Again this was a fun, and inexpensive project – and I wanted to learn something new, so that’s what matters most. Surprise birthday party for my wife’s boss tonight, so I’ll get a chance to try this out. May post a few pics tomorrow, so you can see the final results.

Cheers ;)

Chris

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Dec 05, 2009 13:03 as a reply to  @ Kendoway's post |  #4

DIY is fun! Congrats.

I wonder if regular PVC cement wouldn't have sufficed instead of the Gorilla Glue?


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Dec 05, 2009 13:21 |  #5

Guapo wrote in post #9140556 (external link)
DIY is fun! Congrats.

I wonder if regular PVC cement wouldn't have sufficed instead of the Gorilla Glue?


Thanks Guapo!

I thought about that too, but didn't want to get stuck with a whole can of leftover PVC glue. With the Gorilla glue I can still use it for other projects/repairs around the house.


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Wicked work Christian !!! It looks really good in the end. How supportive are the stands would be my only consideration since I have a very heavy 12 foot roll of white paper to support - I use bags with weights in them on either side to keep the thing steady - other than that if it's just a muslin being supported or a sheet then it looks like it works well. How's storage?


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Dec 05, 2009 14:09 |  #7

You look so precise :)

I've been planning a similar structure, but want to be able to dis-assemble for storage.


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Dec 05, 2009 16:10 |  #8

Nice Job Christian!! :D


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Dec 05, 2009 17:01 |  #9

Karl Johnston wrote in post #9140811 (external link)
Wicked work Christian !!! It looks really good in the end. How supportive are the stands would be my only consideration since I have a very heavy 12 foot roll of white paper to support - I use bags with weights in them on either side to keep the thing steady - other than that if it's just a muslin being supported or a sheet then it looks like it works well. How's storage?

Thanks Karl - and yes, I wouldn't want to support much weight past what I've got. The muslin sheet weight about 4.5 lbs, and I'm guessing it couldn't take much more - though I can always shorten that crossbar from 10 feet to 5, simply by removing a section.

The whole things breaks down to 60 inches in length (5 feet) and probably weighs 20 lbs. I've got a cheap canvas duffle bag that's 48 inches, so the pipes stick out the end. Still lots of room for the tripod and light stands though.

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You look so precise :)

I've been planning a similar structure, but want to be able to dis-assemble for storage.

Thanks Joayne, see what I wrote above regarding break down and storage. Only some pieces are glued.

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Nice Job Christian!! :D


Thanks Jay, high praise coming from you good sir. :)


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Dec 05, 2009 17:15 as a reply to  @ Kendoway's post |  #10

Excellently done Christian!
[And we even got a self portrait too!]
I'm like you too, in that if something is clearly "make-able" for ¥XXX, but a retailer wants ¥YYYYYY for it, I'll give it a go myself first - and 99 times out of a 100, my version does the job and lasts longer!

Hope to see some pics actually using your DIY backdrop in the near future!
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Dec 05, 2009 17:28 |  #11

Thanks Simon - will be shooting with it an hour or so. Photo booth fun at a birthday party, with 70+ people.

I hope it survives :D


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Dec 05, 2009 18:12 |  #12

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Thanks Jay, high praise coming from you good sir. :)

And obviously you've never seen me try to use hand tools... :shock:


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Dec 07, 2009 03:45 |  #13

Christian, sweet build, you took your time and it paid off very well, very nice looking stand. For a bit more polished look you could try putting 90s on the end of each leg, and glue in a piece that gives you an inch or two of lift off the floor, then use either crutch or cane end type rubber feet. Oh and have you considered painting it black, I think the Knight Rider finish would just make it sing!
Thanks for posting this, I have a bunch of ideas popping in me little noggin now.


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Dec 07, 2009 03:57 |  #14

Very nice, looks firm, neat. Will maybe try one of my own when I get the free time.


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Dec 07, 2009 10:09 |  #15

Put a link in here: Sticky: ** DIY Projects **
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=256773

Good job if you need a portable one. I don't, so my solution was a few screws in the wall using a modified shelf support:

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