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Question: "7D Takes Some Learning" - So What Are We Learning?

 
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Dec 08, 2009 07:12 |  #1

Hi,
I've seen many threads that state the 7D is great camera but is taking some "getting used to" and "some learning" - I'm curious - what are we learning? What needs to change, be done differently, not done, etc. From other cameras?

Let's see what we've got here!

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Dec 08, 2009 07:19 |  #2

Maybe it depends on what your coming from. I am finding that the two things that I keep referring back to the manual are the AF system. It takes a bit of getting use to. If you had been using a 1D series camera though I can see where this might not be a hard thing to pick up, but coming from a 50D pattern AF takes a bit of getting use to. The other thing I'm getting use to is the new built in remote flash trigger feature. It's nice to be able to trigger multiple flashes without cords but it does have to be set up correctly. I usually forget to set my 580 as a slave and to turn off the built in flash so this feature takes a bit of getting use to. Other than those two, the camera pretty much operates as any other camera.


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Dec 08, 2009 07:29 as a reply to  @ gjl711's post |  #3

shutter speed has to be greater than focal legnth to get 100% sharp images,focal system takes some learning. study the canon videos. learning with it every time i use it.


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Dec 08, 2009 07:37 |  #4

My problem was with the custom function settings for auto focus. I shot three days of pictures with most of them being out of focus or blurred. I finally sat down with the camera and manual and actually worked through all the custom functions. Problem fixed.

I also made a number of statements that the 7D would not hit 8 frames a second, under any circumstances. As soon as I bought a "modern" CF card, it got 8 frames a second or better, under any and all circumstances, lenses or settings. I learned that crow doesn't taste so bad, with a little salt. :)


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Dec 08, 2009 07:49 |  #5

canonloader wrote in post #9156624 (external link)
My problem was with the custom function settings for auto focus. I shot three days of pictures with most of them being out of focus or blurred. I finally sat down with the camera and manual and actually worked through all the custom functions. Problem fixed.

I also made a number of statements that the 7D would not hit 8 frames a second, under any circumstances. As soon as I bought a "modern" CF card, it got 8 frames a second or better, under any and all circumstances, lenses or settings. I learned that crow doesn't taste so bad, with a little salt. :)

can you pls. elaborate what you did in the custom function settings?


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Dec 08, 2009 07:50 |  #6

Oh.. and another thing I'm learnin' I suspect that my 7D manual will be way more dog eared than any of the other bodies I have shot with. :)


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Dec 08, 2009 07:57 |  #7

gjl711 wrote in post #9156658 (external link)
Oh.. and another thing I'm learnin' I suspect that my 7D manual will be way more dog eared than any of the other bodies I have shot with. :)

Mine already is. The videos on Canon's site are great. I too have to refer to the AF section and also the section on wireless flash.

I agree that it is also important to use a high shutter speed if you are using a long lens. The sensor on this camera doesn't miss much.




  
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Dec 08, 2009 08:13 as a reply to  @ Kafn8td's post |  #8

My main lesson was that the AF points are significantly larger than their respective rectangles in the viewfinder, and then they are still large, compared to what you see in the viewfinder of a 40D, for example.
I also think that the new exposure meter sometimes comes to different conclusions compared to what I've been used to expect, but not necessarily worse.

And finally, I've learned that my, and several other, 7D cameras can't properly control slave flashes in E-TTL in all cases.


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Dec 08, 2009 09:05 as a reply to  @ apersson850's post |  #9

I moved from an Xt, so I knew whatever camera I upgraded to would create a learning curve. I'm not having as much trouble with the AF as I had expected from reading the posts on here. I fiddled with the 100% AF for about 20 shots and realized that it would it limit me "most" of the time. So I chose to use a single spot at the beginning. Now I'm using the area focus a lot more, preferring to use either the top area or the centre area, I like using both of those as it seems to work well for me. When the weather improves I hope to get out and try some bird in flight photo's using the full focus area. Another comment I heard from a semi-pro was that the Canon menu's are not as intuitive as the Nikon. I'm not sure what he meant by that, but the 7D's menu & controls are an absolute dream to use when compared to my Xt. Way easier to shoot bracket exposures and stopping down the flash is simple as pie. No more fumbling for the AV & TV either, a real PITA on the XT. Learning curve? Yes, insurmountable no!


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Dec 08, 2009 09:09 |  #10

ReconCadre wrote in post #9156655 (external link)
can you pls. elaborate what you did in the custom function settings?

Here ya go. I use these settings, which are mainly controlling AF. Try these if you are getting a number of out of focus shots, say in a burst of 6-8 or more, or it's just not holding focus after the first lock on.


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Dec 08, 2009 10:33 |  #11

I have learned...When you tweak the AI servo to fast tracking focus
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LOOK OUT...If you take your focus point off the subject the Camera responds INSTANTLY!

This is a double edged sword...It can track fantastically but if "I" screw up and don't track the subject properly I'm gonna get a real nice and sharp photo of the far wall and the Basketball player is gonna be rendered as indistinguishable bokeh!!!

In a nutshell....The camera don't miss focus, but I sure can!

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Dec 08, 2009 10:41 |  #12

There shouldn't be any difference in learning the AF if you still primarily use single point center focus.

So when people have focusing problems using single point center AF and they didn't have problems with their previous camera, other people need to stop telling them to RTFM and just send it into to Canon to get it fixed.


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Dec 08, 2009 10:56 as a reply to  @ garycoleman's post |  #13

Came from a 50D and the things I am getting used to and learning about are:

1 - New AF modes, when to use them, and setting tracking sensitivity
2 - Using off camera flash for the first time
3 - Video, though this is something I rarely use and is not all that important to me

I'm sure many of the people on here with much more experience don't have much of a learning curve with these things, but only being into photography for a year these are the things I had to learn with the 7D.


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Dec 08, 2009 10:58 |  #14

thanks canonloader..i'll give it a shot tonite..ill post my results


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Dec 08, 2009 11:11 |  #15

garycoleman wrote in post #9157550 (external link)
There shouldn't be any difference in learning the AF if you still primarily use single point center focus.

So when people have focusing problems using single point center AF and they didn't have problems with their previous camera, other people need to stop telling them to RTFM and just send it into to Canon to get it fixed.

Just not true at all. The 40D needed some camera specific custom functions set before it's AF would work right. It was way different than the 30D or the 1D Classic. Same thing with the 7D. I jumped the 50D, but I assume it was the same. The 7D is much different than the 40D and I can tell you, it needs some getting use to compared to the 40D.

It also has two centerpoint options rather than just one and the active points are more and different than any XXD model before it. It's a whole other camera. It is NOT just another 50D. It's in a different class and it needs different learning to make it sing and dance.


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