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Best way to do a fill-in flash

 
Zwiz
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Jun 14, 2005 16:50 |  #1

Hi,

I got a new Sigma 500 DG Super for my Canon 300D. Flash operation is all new for me. I will mainly use the flash for fill-in (outdoor shooting like birds, etc). From what I understand, the best camera mode for shooting birds should be Av (aperture priority) since the camera meters for ambient light and fills in the foreground using the flash. I took this info from the excellent article (http://photonotes.org/​articles/eos-flash/ (external link)).

My questions are:

Since I want to keep a relatively high aperture thus resulting in high shutter speed, I should use the flash in FP mode (High Speed Sync). Is it good for fill-in? Does the FP mode delivers the same amount of light compare to the non-FP mode? For fill-in, would it be a good idea to use a positive exposure compensation on the flash? I usually set the camera exposure compensation to -1/3 when shooting outdoor.

Thx for reading.


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Jun 14, 2005 17:05 |  #2

FP flash reduces the flash guide number (amount of light) as the flash needs to produce multiple flashes in order to sync up to the high shutter speed.

FEC amount should be dependent on the subject you are shooting. if you are shooting a white feathered bird that fills the frame, then probably +1 or +1 1/3 FEC.

not sure if the sigma flash can do E-TTL, so my FEC comment above may not apply.

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Jun 14, 2005 17:36 |  #3

I have the Sigma 500 Super.

If you want your shutter to go faster than the x-sync speed (which is 1/200 or 1/250 depending on camera model), you have to set it to FP in the flash unit. If you don't do that the camera will not allow shutter speeds greater than x-sync, except in M mode. FP does reduce the maximum amount of light the flash can put out, but in fill flash mode the flash is rarely operating at max power anyways, so it shouldn't matter.

Shutter speed is a weird concept with flash. If the flash is the main light source, then the exposure is effectively complete in 1/10,000 or less (the duration of the flash itself). If you force a higher shutter speed than x-sync, then you get a prolonged flash burst and you are effectively exposing for MORE time, in spite of the faster shutter. With fill flash, the shutter speed affects the exposure of the background and the flash exposes the foreground, so you have a mix of exposure times.

Because of this, usually the only times I worry about shutter speed with flash are --
1) I want a dark background, so I set a fast shutter speed
2) I want to blur motion, using second curtain sync and a slow shutter speed
in other circumstances, shutter speed doesn't matter so much, as long as it's between 1/60 and 1/250.

Av is an excellent mode. The only downside is that if the background is dark you can find yourself with really long shutter speeds. P mode works as well, while limiting the shutter speed on the downside. If you don't like the f-stop/shutter combination picked out by P mode you can shift the program to get the combination you like.

Flash exposure compensation isn't needed very often, only when you take a shot and find that the main subject isn't exposed properly by the flash. With E-TTL and E-TTL II this is not common (at least not for me). So, using fill flash, ordinary exposure compensation adjusts the background exposure and FEC adjusts the foreground exposure.

Here's a fill flash photo. Without flash the camera tried to correctly expose the face, and blew the exposure on the shoulder, lake and sky. So I used flash. I set the aperature and shutter speed using exposure compensation -1 1/2 stop to avoid blowing the highlights on the shoulder, which left the face really dark without flash. No FEC needed - the camera did a great job metering the flash. Av mode, ISO 200 f-14 1/250 sec, daytime white balance.

hope this helps,


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Jun 22, 2005 05:06 as a reply to  @ rent's post |  #4

rent wrote:
FP flash reduces the flash guide number (amount of light) as the flash needs to produce multiple flashes in order to sync up to the high shutter speed.

FEC amount should be dependent on the subject you are shooting. if you are shooting a white feathered bird that fills the frame, then probably +1 or +1 1/3 FEC.

not sure if the sigma flash can do E-TTL, so my FEC comment above may not apply.

-alex

How do you know how much FEC you need? I have a Digi Rebel with the Sigma 500 Super. I am also using a Stofen Omni Bounce.

Many Thanks,
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Jun 22, 2005 11:07 as a reply to  @ photo441's post |  #5

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