$1300 Dollars which lense for the 7D

Bodies come and go, but lenses are forever. If you have your heart set on going FF, I would invest in lenses that will eventually fit your need then. Otherwise, you will be in a situation of needing to unload the crop AND lenses, and who wants that hassle? I don't see the economy picking up, all this unemployment makes me very uneasy as a whole about the country's situation. Consequently I think limiting any needs to sell in the future is better.

Insofar as the 16-35, I rented it last summer, but used it on a 1.3 crop, not a 1.6. I fell in love with that lens. It is a beauty. (I am deeply considering a purchase while rebates on it is in effect). However, I am unsure how well it will do on a 1.6 crop. Because of the money investment involved, I would bring your camera to a shop to physically test the pair together. While you will be investing for the future, you also need to make sure that while you have the crop camera, it has to function well together for you.

Another option out there - if you really want to go FF - I have seen alot of 5D used bodies in this same price range - true you won't have any money left for lenses - but you also could unload the crop and try getting at least one lens to fit the used 5D.

Hope you find the solution that works for you.

Pat

nureality wrote in post #9174983
I'm with the others who are telling you to get the 17-55 f/2.8 IS over the 24-70L based on current need.

I, like you didn't want to buy crop glass for a long time... but for a different reason than you... I still shoot film and wanted as much of my kit to work on both platforms as possible. That is UNTIL I finally rented the 17-55 f/2.8 for a week for an event I had been asked to shoot. I ended up buying one a few months later. Its a wonderful piece of glass. Sure there is the occasional zoom creep, sure its not built like an L. But its as sharp as an L, the colors come out spectacular, the focus is f***ing fast, and the IS is a BIG helper. And once I added a filter to the front... its pretty much ready to face the elements.

Be aware that if you go with the 24-70L you're not getting much wider than your 28-75 f/2.8 (which according to most reports is a wonderful lens, I've never used one, but I'll take the majority's word for it), but it is A LOT more expensive and A LOT heavier. The 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM gives you a USABLE wide-end for your walk-around lens. Then sell the 28-75 f/2.8 eventually and use the money along with what you saved by getting the 17-55 over the 24-70L and pick up the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8. That way you have a REAL UWA-Normal coverage @ f/2.8 with sharp solid glass.

When you upgrade to FF, whether its 1.5, 2, or 5 years, there will be a 2nd-ary market for the glass to unload. And to be fair, the 11-16 f/2.8 is used by many on 1.3x and FF @ differing focal ranges to great effect without vignetting (on APS-H (1.3x) it can be used from 12.5-16mm, on FF it can be used from 14-16mm... you can use the lens all the way down to 11mm on each without fear of mirror collision but be ready to do some cropping). People even opt to use the lens ALONG with the 16-35 f/2.8 MkII on FF and APS-H. But for APS-C its a no-brainer.

Honestly, since getting my 7D, almost all want for an APS-H or FF body has gone away. This camera works incredibly. The AreaAF is reminiscent, yet much better, than the implementation in my EOS-3. the AF locks faster and much more accurately with all my lenses right out of the box... I have yet to play with MLA, but simply haven't seen the need... its just THAT good. The 8fps is such a big jump from the 40D's 6.5fps especially when shooting sports and firing thru an entire action sequence (pitcher's motion, tennis swing, golf swing)... the 2 frames you get help a lot. But the camera isn't as weather sealed as a 1D3 or 1D4 or 1Ds3 (or the upcoming 1Ds4) - and if you're concerned about your lenses and the elements, you should be aware that any system is as good as its weakest link, and in your case it would be the 7D. So you expect to shoot in gale-force wind and hurricane rain conditions, buy some environmental protection for your gear - I got a KATA rain-hood for my 7D+70-200 f/4L IS for World Series Game 1 when rain was expected... I ended up shooting the whole night with that contraption.

Get the right gear now, for what you need now.

Thanks a lot for the response. I think ill feel the same as yourself and not want to give up the 7D once i get into it. One of my main issues with the 17-55 beyond it being an ef-s comes from the fact that when i had the 18-55 kit i always felt extremly limited in the focul range. It wasnt wide enough or long enough for me. Once i bought the tamron i loved it. The range worked perfect for how i shoot. However, i did reach for the kit when i needed to go wide. But only to shoot at 18mm. Now a lense i really was looking into was the tokina 11-16 because it def would feel a void i have. The gap it would create between 17-27 doesnt bother me much. Now the issue comes into play is when will B&H get the tokina in stock. I buy all my stuff from them as im in nyc but i might have to go over to adorama for this one.

Marloon wrote in post #9175196
ditto. The 17-55 is beautiful. Be open minded about it, don't just snob it out because it isn't l and it isn't for ff. It's a fantastic Peice of glass, and most users here use one and love theirs.

Would you buy Beamer floormats and accessories for your civic thinking that in two years that you'd be there. A lot of people say that they will be upgrading to an ff and never really committing to it when time runs out. I plan on buying a 200 f2l in a yea or two, but I, too, am not sure if I'll give it up considering that there are other prices of photography equiptment that I need like a full on upgrade on lighting - hensel porty 12 + a whole wack of grip and modifiers. Sigh. I also need to spend for advertising and website portfolio. That'll be later in the next year.

Very true totally understand you point here. This is the world we live in where you have so many options but limited resources. Could be worse stuck in another brand without as many options.

Marloon wrote in post #9174673
To get a killer pair, consider the 11-16 and the 17-55. That would be a great set that covers a huge range for travel and walk around. The 10-22 is not as good, though you have the range, the aperature is not constant, and it vignettes wide open. The 11-16 has minimal vignetting, and a constant aperature

Im really considering the tokina. Its been on my list for a while. So i could get that and a prime. Maybe an 85.

kevindar wrote in post #9175536
having owned both tamron and can lens, I would say the canon is a waste on a crop sensor. On full frame it makes a lot of sense, as the corner performance is a lot better. the only downside of tamron is that it does not focus as quickly or confidently esp in low light. However if I had money burning hole in my pocket like that, and wanted an L, I would get either the 16-35 or the 17-40. 16-35 is esp nice for video.

Yeah you nailed it on the money in terms of my few reservations with the tammy. It does hunt in low light which is my only complain. I have looked at the 16-35 and its just a bit out of my range. I definitley will try them all out over at BH along with the tokina 11-16 to see where im going to land on this decision. Thanks a lot for the input!

On my 1.6x body I used the 50mm 1.4 as workhorse you could get that one and save the rest of the money for something else. Or get a 50mm 1.2 but then you need $200 extra

pigtailpat wrote in post #9175886
Bodies come and go, but lenses are forever. If you have your heart set on going FF, I would invest in lenses that will eventually fit your need then. Otherwise, you will be in a situation of needing to unload the crop AND lenses, and who wants that hassle? I don't see the economy picking up, all this unemployment makes me very uneasy as a whole about the country's situation. Consequently I think limiting any needs to sell in the future is better.

Insofar as the 16-35, I rented it last summer, but used it on a 1.3 crop, not a 1.6. I fell in love with that lens. It is a beauty. (I am deeply considering a purchase while rebates on it is in effect). However, I am unsure how well it will do on a 1.6 crop. Because of the money investment involved, I would bring your camera to a shop to physically test the pair together. While you will be investing for the future, you also need to make sure that while you have the crop camera, it has to function well together for you.

Another option out there - if you really want to go FF - I have seen alot of 5D used bodies in this same price range - true you won't have any money left for lenses - but you also could unload the crop and try getting at least one lens to fit the used 5D.

Hope you find the solution that works for you.

Pat

Thanks a lot Pat you get the way im thinking about this purchase. I really dont want to go through the hastle of having to resale down the road. I will definitley go down to B&H and try out the lenses. Whats great about B&H is the fact that you dont have to bring your camera down. You can ask them for a camera and whatever lenses you want. They have them all available when you go up to a teller. So in this case ill ask for the 7D and then ask to see the tokina (even though its out of stock :mad, the 17-40, the 16-35, and the 85. See how i like them and make my choice then. If i dont like the purchase i made i can walk back to B&H and return within 30 days of use. Thats why i love that place!

What do you guys think about the 24-105 as a walk around then selling the tammy and getting the tokina 11-16. Eventually in the futre i can get a fast prime.

pigtailpat wrote in post #9175886
Bodies come and go, but lenses are forever.

I think the amount of activity on the buy/sell forums proves this is untrue.

I would get the 16-35 right now first. I bought the 24-70 first and the 24 isn't wide enough on a crop. The 16-35 is definitely going to be my next lens, after getting the 5DMkII first of course.

Of course this depends on your shooting style. 24 might be wide enough for you. I just picked up a 10-22 for the mean time because the 16-35 II is out of my budget right now. SO far the 10-22 has been a very fun lens to use.

1740 + 85 1.8

mcgong wrote in post #9177197
I would get the 16-35 right now first. I bought the 24-70 first and the 24 isn't wide enough on a crop. The 16-35 is definitely going to be my next lens, after getting the 5DMkII first of course.

Of course this depends on your shooting style. 24 might be wide enough for you. I just picked up a 10-22 for the mean time because the 16-35 II is out of my budget right now. SO far the 10-22 has been a very fun lens to use.

You have a similar way of thinking as myself. For me ill upgrade whenever the 5DmkIII comes out. I know itll be a while but i know the 7D will be great during that time

I still keep going through this thread trying to find what problem or need you are trying to fill. I can't find one. Hard to really get a good lens recommendation without a clear need or even want.

pigtailpat wrote in post #9175886
Bodies come and go, but lenses are forever.

BS. I see more lenses up for sale every day. Today's cameras should be lasting many more years than they do. Most cameras you see for sale have very few ( relatively speaking ) shots on them. People trade them ( losing money ), not for need, but just because they want the latest gadgets. People seem to trade lenses for the same reason. Moving from the Tamron to the Canon 24-70 will not improve the images one bit...so what is the point?