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Dec 11, 2009 01:13 |  #1

I currently own a G9 and I am looking to upgrade to a SLR for Christmas. I love my G9 for a take-every camera, but as I have gotten more serious with my photography I have become frustrated with its noise levels and poor low-light image quality. I have pretty much mastered all of the settings and functions of the G9 and I am looking to buy a camera I can "grow in to". I do a lot of travel photography, but I shoot plenty while at home and would love to start practicing taking portraits. I am looking to spend around $600 to start off with.

Right now I am considering two options: a used 30D or a used/new XSI. I have seen some pretty good deals on the XSI recently with holiday sales, and the features like live view and the self-cleaning sensor seem nice (and it uses SD cards. I know CF cards aren't that expensive but its just another thing to buy.) However, I do like the tougher body and top screen layout of the 30D (the faster FPS is nice but I don't really shoot sports or high-speed action much so its not that big a deal to me). As I understand it image quality is essentially the same between the two. My question is: do the newer features of the XSI outweight the semi-pro features of the older 30d ? Should I be worried about dust on the 30d sensor if buying used? I know this is mainly a ergonomics decision and I plan to go check both of them out at bestbuy, but I figured I would get some input from these forums as well. At the moment I am leaning towards the 30D because of the ergonomics.

My other dilemma lies with buying the lenses. One option is to get 50mm 1.8 and a 18-55mm IS and probably a set of cheap-o extension tubes to mess around with macro. That totals around 200 dollars if I get the 18-55 used. However, I am also looking at the Sigma 17-70 2.8-4.5 Macro. I like the extended range, small aperture, and macro capabilities, but it is more expensive than the other two (300 used, but I found this on craigslist: http://sfbay.craigslis​t.org/scz/pho/14962464​00.html (external link)). Since I do a lot of travel photography I like the idea of having a decent all-around lens like that. Does it make sense to save up for the Sigma or should I just stick with the two canons to start with?

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Dec 11, 2009 02:16 |  #2

IMO......Before you buy anything. Go to a store and test/hold and inspect both Nikon and Canon brand. Pick the one you like and rent it for a few days.

I wish I had done this before I bought my first DSLR because the one I bought was good on paper, but never delivered on the AF system and had soft images.:mad:


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Dec 11, 2009 02:31 |  #3

If you have the G9 i would skip over the XSI and go with the 30D. The XSI is a great camera but it still doesn't have the nice layout of a full sized DSLR


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Dec 11, 2009 06:08 |  #4

30d hands down. It has great build, it is a lot tougher and is a significant upgrade from a point and shoot.


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Dec 11, 2009 06:14 |  #5

How much more is a 40D? You get a larger rear LCD, faster fps, Liveview, Sensor dust "Shaker", and even higher ISO and more.

Compare them side by side here:

http://www.dpreview.co​m/reviews/canoneos40d/ (external link)


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Dec 11, 2009 06:19 as a reply to  @ Njv's post |  #6

Last time I was checking 30D's were going for around $350-450 on avg for a used copy. If you wanted to you could probably find a used 40D for $600.

18-55IS is a pretty good startup lens.




  
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Dec 11, 2009 06:58 as a reply to  @ Kuma's post |  #7

If you're just starting out, I would get the least expensive body and save the balance for lenses. No matter what body you get, your results hinge on your lens selection. Some suggestions will tell you to max out your budget on a body, but in my opinion, you'll be disappointed in the results if you don't invest in some decent glass that you can grow into.


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Dec 11, 2009 07:01 |  #8

If your $600 budget is just for the body only, then definitely go for the 40D. :)

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Dec 11, 2009 09:33 |  #9

Many of my friends who use a P&S and want to upgrade to a DSLR mention how they like the "blurry backgrounds" in my shots. I then tell them that besides budgeting for the camera, they need to budget for a fast lens.




  
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Dec 11, 2009 10:00 |  #10

I"m going to go against the grain and say get a XSi/450D. I got the 450D w/ kit (18-55 IS) and 55-250 IS for $710 shipped in july and have been very happy with the purchase. I've been amazed at the bang for buck with the kit lenses. I can borrow some L glass from a buddy and I realize their limitations, but they rock if you are on a tight budget. I just picked up a 10-22mm USM (which I think anyone with a Canon crop DSLR should own one of the UWAs) and will be happy with this kit for a long time.

Have you held both bodies? I agree that the XXD cameras feel better, but with my 450D gripped I'm very happy with its size, weight, and feel (I don't think I'd be happy without the grip though). The newer technology was worth more to me than the look and feel.

Good luck with your purchase. I think you will be very happy with either body.


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Dec 11, 2009 10:04 |  #11

crimsondr wrote in post #9176747 (external link)
Many of my friends who use a P&S and want to upgrade to a DSLR mention how they like the "blurry backgrounds" in my shots. I then tell them that besides budgeting for the camera, they need to budget for a fast lens.

Fast lenses make life easier, but they are not required to produce a quality photo. I get some great bokeh with my slow 55-250 IS.


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Dec 11, 2009 10:11 |  #12

StimpyJCat wrote in post #9176933 (external link)
Fast lenses make life easier, but they are not required to produce a quality photo. I get some great bokeh with my slow 55-250 IS.

Sometimes you are not setting up the shot though, so it would be impossible to match the faster lens for the "blurry background effect."




  
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Dec 11, 2009 10:15 |  #13

30d>XSi. Don't settle for a rebel, when you can get an XXD for just as much if not cheaper, then you have more money to invest in glass. IMO.


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Dec 11, 2009 10:16 |  #14

itzcryptic wrote in post #9176977 (external link)
Sometimes you are not setting up the shot though, so it would be impossible to match the faster lens for the "blurry background effect."

Like I said...it makes things easier.


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Dec 11, 2009 10:22 |  #15

StimpyJCat wrote in post #9177003 (external link)
Like I said...it makes things easier.

Or sometimes, it simply makes them possible. :)




  
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