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DPP/DOX periph. ill. corr. for Zeiss lenses?

 
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Dec 20, 2009 23:32 |  #1

I'm switching to 5d mkII from contax RTSIII as the Zeiss MP 100/2.0 ZE has finally been released (at least according to zeiss website).
- I wonder whether there is an easier way to correct for peripheral illumination fall off on Zeiss F-Distagon 16 mm, and Zeiss Distagon 21 mm, than using radial gradient adjustment layer in PS (using CS3 extended)?
- DPP and DOX both seem to require particular lens data to be available, and Zeiss lenses are not among them.
- Additionally, fall off varies with f-stop used, so wonder whether that is actually considered by those software packages.
- Has anyone tried to apply DPP/DOX adjustments on Zeiss lens shots by applying lens data form other manufacturer of equal focal length? Fall off is mainly a function of image angle (plus a bit of f-stop modulation), so it should be quite similar between lenses of similar focal lengths.
- I am familiar with CF filters from 4x5" LF shooting. This is rather a question for post-processing from RAW.
- It might be that storing a gradient layer may be the way to go. At least the registration and cropping variation from scanning film won't apply anymore :-)
- First post here, I searched for similar threads, but no luck. Please accept my apologies for any faux-pas.
- Thanks for your insights and wisdom.


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Dec 21, 2009 01:27 |  #2

Well, I wouldn't expect Canon to come up with correction for Zeiss lenses ;)

I'd bet on either DxO or Photoshop. (There is vignette correction in ACR)
You might like this as well: http://diglloyd.com ….html#_20091220​ZeissZE100 (external link)


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Dec 21, 2009 01:33 |  #3

Um, why can't you still use DPP and just create your own settings? ??? It is possible, ya know? The only downside (besides having to set it up yourself the first time/image) is that you have to do that for every image that's shot with that lens. Personally, I would take an image with the lens and keep it in a specific (easy to get to) location. Then, you can copy that recipe with your adjustments and paste it to any other images you shoot in the future. ;)




  
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Dec 21, 2009 04:07 |  #4

Have you considered the PTLens plugin for PS? You can request that your lens/camera combination be added to the database after you submit some data.


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Dec 21, 2009 04:10 |  #5

tzalman wrote in post #9237267 (external link)
Have you considered the PTLens plugin for PS? You can request that your lens/camera combination be added to the database after you submit some data.

Ditto for Bibble Pro although I have never been through the procedure.




  
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Dec 21, 2009 09:48 |  #6

Thanks for the info. I was not aware on the possibility of creating custom settings in DPP. That should solve it quite nicely. A bit of fiddling the first time, home free thereafter. Amonline: "custom settings" in my book are stored settings that can be applied in other situation, but "you have to do that for every image that's shot with that lens." sounds more like individual adjustments without the ability of storing those parameters. Will have to check out DPP when it all arrives. Just placed the order and try to get all the ducks in a row.

I had not been aware of PTLens or bibble, thanks for those pointers. Any reason to purchase those additional software packages rather than using custom settings in DPP? [presuming those can be stored] PTLens at $25 does everything I want and has several Zeiss lenses already on file, Bibble Pro is $160, so cost is not bad. Skin tone correction is of no concern, neither are creative filters, and color I rather adjust in PS, possibly rather going through Lab than RGB. Cool.

René, the 100 Makroplanar is my workhorse lens for the Contax, so I am well acquainted with it. I waited to go digital until this lens is available for Canon in the ZE version. Working aperture in macro is just a non-starter. I have inquired with B&H re pre-ordering the lens.

Thanks everybody!


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Dec 21, 2009 10:15 |  #7

There is a good chance that you will not be able to use DPP. Unless the lens used is one of those supported, as identified in the Exif, the Lens Correction panel will be greyed out and inoperative. It does happen that the lens identification codes for some third party lenses mislead DPP into thinking it is a supported Canon lens. In this case the panel will be available and you could then manually reset the panel's values - one of my Sigma lenses does this - but you can't count on it.


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Dec 21, 2009 10:34 |  #8

I believe as long as it is the raw file format, the ability is available. However, I do not have a non-Canon lens to test this.




  
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Dec 21, 2009 11:13 |  #9

amonline wrote in post #9238670 (external link)
I believe as long as it is the raw file format, the ability is available. However, I do not have a non-Canon lens to test this.

As well as the lens I mentioned above I have two other Sigmas and a Tamron for whom the Lens Correction is unavailable.


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Dec 21, 2009 16:38 |  #10

Just checked some shots from a recent wedding. DPP lens correction works for my Tokina 28-70 2.8, but not for a borrowed Sigma 70-200 2.8.




  
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Dec 21, 2009 19:03 |  #11

So, basically, it might work. (or, it does possibly work on Tokina) I'd be interested to know what makes it work with some and not with others. Also, to the OP - please let us know if it works with the Zeiss lens.




  
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Dec 22, 2009 02:44 |  #12

Alan,
Apparently third party makers use the same Exif codes as Canon. I don't know if this is true for Zeiss also. However, the DPP panel does not open for every Canon lens, only those that are in the database. Below are the lens identification fields from the Exif/Maker Notes as read by ExifToolGUI: The first is for my Sigma 15-30 which does open the panel. The second is for my Sigma 150-500 which is not even recognized as possibly a Sigma, but I think that is because it is a relatively new lens whose release came after the creation of this version of ExifTool. The third is a Tamron. Both the latter two cannot use the panel.


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Dec 22, 2009 02:59 |  #13

Interesting. Thanks!

Now, are these Zeiss lenses any good? :D (in comparison to Canon L's)




  
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Dec 22, 2009 12:12 |  #14

amonline: still waiting for stuff to arrive, but will let you know for sure.

Re Zeiss any good, don't have comparison to L-glass. But the tighter manufacturing tolerances and tighter movements compared to any AF lens in my book speak volumes. I've been comparing Zeiss products at various levels from binoculars (beat Swarovski hands down in terms of color accuracy and clarity), camera lenses (Pentax, Nikon, OMs), dissecting scopes (have DV12 w/planapos vs. Leicas with horrible lateral color) to compounds (have Axioskop II with set of planapos plus Axiocam HRc [peltier cooled = no moveable parts, not fan-cooled = vibrations as on Leicas]) to scanning electron microscope (selected and run a Zeiss EVO 40 XVP, beat JEOL, Hitachi, FEI: continuous controls for everything, signal mixing etc.). Yep, they cost a small mint, but once you look at it rather as a long term investment, then it's worth every penny. my 2c (pun intended).

I am a slow, deliberate shooter, 90% of shots on tripod, so AF is of no utility to me. Consider that my other camera is a 4x5" monorail (ArcaSwiss F-line), shooting chromes. Manual focus is certainly not for everybody.


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