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Dec 24, 2009 09:51 |  #1

I am trying to find the widest, wide angle (non-fisheye) lens that I can find for my Canon 1D Mark III. Prefer f2.8 or lower. Suggestions??


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Dec 24, 2009 09:52 |  #2

slimenta wrote in post #9256875 (external link)
I am trying to find the widest, wide angle (non-fisheye) lens that I can find for my Canon 1D Mark III. Prefer f2.8 or lower. Suggestions??

Canon 14L II or Nikkor 14-24 F/2.8 G ED with G-EOS adapter.

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Dec 24, 2009 09:55 |  #3

You can use a Tokina 11-16 f2.8, but only at the 15-16mm range. Still gives you a pretty cheap wide angle option and it would also work on your 50D's.


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Dec 24, 2009 10:07 |  #4

In terms of native zooms your options are the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8, Tokina 12-24 f/4, and Sigma 12-24 f/4.5-5.6 DG EX HSM. In terms of adapted zooms you can go with the Nikon 14-24G. Then theres the Canon 14mm f/2.8L II.

Thats about it. If you don't REALLY need f/2.8 (i.e. just would like it), look into the Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 its the widest lens available for full-frame and APS-H. 12mm on FF is an eye-popping experience (sorry, been holding that one in for a while now).

(For sake of disclosure, I own both Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 and Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 DG EX HSMs. I have used both on APS-C and FF (film bodies) and can confirm that they in fact work on both).


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Dec 24, 2009 10:09 |  #5

nureality wrote in post #9256977 (external link)
In terms of native zooms your options are the Tokina 11-16 f/2.8, Tokina 12-24 f/4, and Sigma 12-24 f/4.5-5.6 DG EX HSM. In terms of adapted zooms you can go with the Nikon 14-24G. Then theres the Canon 14mm f/2.8L II.

Thats about it. If you don't REALLY need f/2.8 (i.e. just would like it), look into the Sigma 12-24mm f/4.5-5.6 its the widest lens available for full-frame and APS-H. 12mm on FF is an eye-popping experience (sorry, been holding that one in for a while now).

Unfortunately, that lens is not in the same league as any of the others. At least not IMO :D.

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Dec 24, 2009 10:23 |  #6

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Unfortunately, that lens is not in the same league as any of the others. At least not IMO :D.

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And which other 12mm full frame zooms are you comparing it to?


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Dec 24, 2009 10:26 |  #7

tkbslc wrote in post #9257056 (external link)
And which other 12mm full frame zooms are you comparing it to?

It's a 12-24, not a 12 mm :D. If you really, really need 12 and 13 mm with AF, go for it. Note the IMO in my reply. I'd rather opt for a TS-E and stitching to get to that FL :D.

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Dec 24, 2009 12:30 |  #8

Lets be fair now Wim.

Until the TS-E 17mm f/4L came out, there wasn't ANY way to get 12mm on FF. Other than that lens. And that lens does a great job of it as well. Its a lot of fun.


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Dec 24, 2009 14:00 |  #9

nureality wrote in post #9257649 (external link)
Lets be fair now Wim.

Until the TS-E 17mm f/4L came out, there wasn't ANY way to get 12mm on FF. Other than that lens. And that lens does a great job of it as well. Its a lot of fun.

Ok, then, let's be fair. For the price, it can't be beat. :D

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Dec 24, 2009 14:02 |  #10

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Ok, then, let's be fair. For the price, it can't be beat. :D

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ARGH!!!! you're being a 'tard! LOL.


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Dec 24, 2009 14:08 |  #11

nureality wrote in post #9258044 (external link)
ARGH!!!! you're being a 'tard! LOL.

Hmmm. Interesting. I didn't know that. Have to ask my mom :D.

Now, if you had said: Mad Dutchman, yes, I would have agreed :D.

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Dec 24, 2009 14:34 |  #12

always a pleasure Wim. Happy Holidays bud.


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Dec 24, 2009 14:39 |  #13

nureality wrote in post #9258168 (external link)
always a pleasure Wim. Happy Holidays bud.

Thank you, and to you too!

Well, to all POTNers, actually!

Kindest regards, Wim


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Dec 24, 2009 16:27 |  #14

wimg wrote in post #9257077 (external link)
It's a 12-24, not a 12 mm :D. If you really, really need 12 and 13 mm with AF, go for it. Note the IMO in my reply. I'd rather opt for a TS-E and stitching to get to that FL :D.

Kind regards, Wim ;)

Hi Wim

On the stitching note. I read somewhere (I think it was The Digital Picture) to get the wider coverage using a TS-E lens, one can use the shift function. The point was though that to get the best result, the camera should be moved during the shifting and not the lens (in other words, the lens must stay in the same spot). This can be a huge pain if true.

What is your exerience?

Choosing between the 17 and 24, I like more and more to go with 24. But its standard FOV is not wide enough for some interior shots that I will need. I'd be happy to use shift+stitch in those situations if it is not going to be a pain. And please remind me again, what would be the widest FOV if one used shift with 24mm?

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Dec 24, 2009 16:48 |  #15

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Hi Wim

On the stitching note. I read somewhere (I think it was The Digital Picture) to get the wider coverage using a TS-E lens, one can use the shift function. The point was though that to get the best result, the camera should be moved during the shifting and not the lens (in other words, the lens must stay in the same spot). This can be a huge pain if true.

What is your exerience?

In theory, that's correct, because you move the sensor in the image circle that way. In practice, it rarely matters. I have not encountered any problems yet. With panoramas, moving objects is much more of a problem, or quickly changing weather or light conditions.

The beauty with a TS lens is that you can take your panoramic photographs consisting of 2 or 3 images in seconds, without requiring much more than a stable tripod.

Choosing between the 17 and 24, I like more and more to go with 24. But its standard FOV is not wide enough for some interior shots that I will need. I'd be happy to use shift+stitch in those situations if it is not going to be a pain. And please remind me again, what would be the widest FOV if one used shift with 24mm?

Cheers!

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14.4 mm horizontal, 18 mm vertical.

With a 17 mm that is 10.2 mm horizontal and 12.8 mm vertical :D.

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