Profiles in Digital Photo Professional

Hi,

Hope I'm in the right forum. I have a question regarding settings in Digital Photo Professional. Opening a RAW file, I have the ability to save from File -> Convert and save. The box which opens has a check-box "Embed ICC profile in image".

From DPP itself (under Tools -> Preferences) using the ‘Color management’ tab, I am only able (at Printing profile) to choose two ‘profiles’ - one is a Kodak one and the other is sRGB IEC61966-2.1

I downloaded (from ICC.org) the latest sRGB profile (sRGB_v4_ICC_preferenc​e.icc). That was placed in DPP’s ‘icc’ folder (with another 169 profiles!). If I want to "Embed ICC profile in image", it would be this latest sRGB profile, yes? (Or have I grasped the wrong end of an ICC stick?)

Why is this profile (and the other 169) not showing up when I reach the Convert and save stage?

Sorry, DPP’s Help file hasn’t given me an answer on this. Any advice would be appreciated.

tia, David

Set the proper monitor profile in the DPP prefs.
Set "Printer profile" to the profile for the printer and paper you will be printing on (say: Epson R2880 with Epson Premium Glossy).
Since I never print from DPP, I set "none"

Very important: Set "none" in CMYK.

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Unlike some other converters, DPP does not allow you to choose an output space other than the five shown in René's post, sRGB, AdobeRGB, WideGamutRGB, AppleRGB and ColorMatchRGB. The other .icc files in the icc folder, the ones with the numerical names, are Picture Styles - each number group representing a specific camera model. The drop-down menu in Preferences/Printing profile does not access the DPP/icc folder but rather the system Color folder where printer profiles are stored and any profile selected from that list will only be used when you print from DPP, not for embedding in tif or jpg outputs. Select your desired embedded profile from the list of five or override Preferences from the Adjustment menu.

Hi René and Elie,

Thank you both for your input - I’m slowly getting there. To (perhaps) clarify, I’m not printing myself but placing images on ImageKind (where they may, or may not, be printed) - my own printing, from a pretty basic printer, has relied more on my visual take (and lots of paper!). Anyhow, it was my first brush with ImageKind which kicked the ‘colour management / ICC profile’ into life as I’m fairly new to digital photography.

Another clarification (perhaps question) - I’ve mislaid the discs which came with the camera (these apparently contain a ‘software manual’) and earlier I had to ask, here, whether - when shooting JPEG - the camera embeds the color space. Given that I’m now talking of Canon’s DPP - does a RAW file have an embedded color space? (I’m thinking not).

René, I’ve grasped the ‘Monitor profile’ selection (why "very important: Set ‘none’ in CMYK"?) however, when I do open a RAW file (initially, everything was JPEG) I have the ability to save, from File -> Convert and save. The box which opens has a check-box "Embed ICC profile in image". If, under Preferences, I have made the selections as you have shown, is that the ICC profile which will be embedded at that stage?

The reason I was selecting the sRGB V.4 profile btw was earlier confusion; a trip to ICC.org and the fact that I was shooting JPEGs (the AdobeRGB is ‘wider’, yes?).

Elie, thanks for the explanation of the ICC files / folder - I have the feeling that when I find my discs, many questions will be answered, but understanding your, "the drop-down menu in Preferences/Printing profile does not access the DPP/icc folder but rather the system Color folder" how does, "any profile selected from that list will only be used when you print from DPP, not for embedding in tif or jpg outputs" ‘work’? If one sends a file for printing, it would need to have an embedded profile, no?

Apologies to both if I’m really barking up the wrong tree (or just barking) and/or I’ve not been clear either here or in my first post. I have tried to be brief!

Thanks,

David.

David,
To overly simplify a very complex process:
You are right that a RAW file does not have an embedded color space It can't because it isn't an image file, merely a list of the intensity of the light striking each photo site (pixel). It is only later, during the conversion to a tri-channeled RGB image, jpg or tif, that it can be put into a color space. However, the converter - DPP in this case - does come equipped with a camera profile for each model, which describes how the sensor reacts to various colors and acts as a basis for assigning a transitional color space which can then be converted to one of the standard output spaces when the RGB image is created. If one is sending the photo to a commercial lab for printing the choice should be sRGB and it is best to tick that "Embed" box, although many labs will ignore the embedded tag and just assume that the space is sRGB (the same is true for photos uploaded to the web for sharing). However, if you are printing directly from DPP to a home printer, the conversion goes directly from the transitional space to a space appropriate for your specific printer and paper combo, as indicated by the printer profile that you have set in Preferences, no detour through a standard space is needed.
It is all about the difference between internationally recognized standard spaces, like sRGB or AdobeRGB, and profiles that define a "device specific" space for a particular camera, scanner, printer or monitor.

I hope this helps. Please ask more questions if the water is still muddy.
Here is a manual for version 3.3 http://www.scribd.com …66299/Canon-DPP-v3-Manual The current 3.7 is not very different.

If you do not set "None" in CMYK, DPP will show a soft proof.

http://cpn.canon-europe.com …ware/using_the_​new_DPP.do

Hi Elie,

That does help, thanks (and for the link to the DPP manual). I do realise I’m trying to get simple answers to a complex process. Given that my attempts of winning the lottery are coming to naught (and I’ll not be able to buy the printer of choice) I will be sending files to the lab for printing, or they will be printed by ImageKind. So, for now, I’ll select sRGB. (From what I understand I should be able to get the printer profile from a lab, but that’s for another time.)

If I can be simplistic here, the ‘route’ would be: shoot RAW; open/work in DPP; Convert and save (as JPEG or TIFF), embedding sRGB, and then open/work the file in my graphics editing programme. Yes?

Hi René,

Thanks - I get why CMYK should be ‘none’. Thanks also for the link to the DPP updater (this resulted in a 404 at first - from Canon’s own link - but I got there). From what I saw on that site I reckon I should pay a bit more attention to that resource!

david69 wrote in post #9279641
If I can be simplistic here, the ‘route’ would be: shoot RAW; open/work in DPP; Convert and save (as JPEG or TIFF), embedding sRGB, and then open/work the file in my graphics editing programme. Yes?

Yes

Hey, I got one right! Thanks René.

I followed your links Why Color Management & Get Colormanaged ... wow - a load of learning for me (and I remember - sometimes - simply throwing a Kodak Colour swatch into a shot!).

Thanks again for your - and Elie's - help on this, it's appreciated. I'll - no doubt - be back.