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Dec 27, 2009 12:08 |  #1

I have said that I use a filter to protect the glass from the "elements"...and recently posted a shot of 2 lenses that survived terrible histories because they had filters....

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I've also said elsewhere that I remove filters when needed...and this morning a quick shot shows proves just how important it is to do so...Shot with the 180ED on a Canon 40D: same exposure, (ISO400/160sec/F4), RAW with all sliders set to neutral and no post-processing...filter was Nikon L1A.
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My Canon kit 450D/s90; Canon lenses 18-55 IS, 70-210/3.5-4.5....Nikon kit: D610; 28-105/3.5-4.5, 75-300/4.5-5.6 AF, 50/1.8D Nikkors, Tamron 80-210; MF Nikkors: 50/2K, 50/1.4 AI-S, 50/1.8 SeriesE, 60/2.8 Micro Nikkor (AF locked), 85mm/1.8K-AI, 105/2.5 AIS/P.C, 135/2.8K/Q.C, 180/2.8 ED, 200/4Q/AIS, 300/4.5H-AI, ++ Tamron 70-210/3.8-4, Vivitar/Kiron 28/2, ser.1 70-210/3.5, ser.1 28-90; Vivitar/Komine and Samyang 28/2.8; 35mm Nikon F/FM/FE2, Rebel 2K...HTC RE UWA camera

  
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Dec 27, 2009 12:45 |  #2

What filter are you using in the test shots?

Also, one can always argue wither a filter really protects. I'm sure it will protect against scratches, but drops? I'm not sure. I guess it does something.




  
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Dec 27, 2009 12:57 |  #3

I use Heliopan slim filters, they're sublime. They never cause vignetting.

Two times now these filters have saved lens; a dropped 50L and a tipped over 24-70 + MK-3 on a tripod. A piece of cinder block went straight up the hood of the 24-70 and splinter the filter, just stopping it short of the front lense element. The shards of glass were still rigidly help in place in the filter ring.


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Dec 27, 2009 13:21 |  #4

Added the filter to 1st post...Nikon L1A....and I'll continue to use it and remove it when I can see the difference....


My Canon kit 450D/s90; Canon lenses 18-55 IS, 70-210/3.5-4.5....Nikon kit: D610; 28-105/3.5-4.5, 75-300/4.5-5.6 AF, 50/1.8D Nikkors, Tamron 80-210; MF Nikkors: 50/2K, 50/1.4 AI-S, 50/1.8 SeriesE, 60/2.8 Micro Nikkor (AF locked), 85mm/1.8K-AI, 105/2.5 AIS/P.C, 135/2.8K/Q.C, 180/2.8 ED, 200/4Q/AIS, 300/4.5H-AI, ++ Tamron 70-210/3.8-4, Vivitar/Kiron 28/2, ser.1 70-210/3.5, ser.1 28-90; Vivitar/Komine and Samyang 28/2.8; 35mm Nikon F/FM/FE2, Rebel 2K...HTC RE UWA camera

  
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Dec 27, 2009 13:38 |  #5

On some lens ghosting (the filter back reflecting light) may be an issue even with MC filters. The 50L is one where I see this, although spacing the filter a bit further from the front element should resolve it.


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Dec 27, 2009 13:39 |  #6

Everyone's situation is different. Me; almost 40 years shooting w/o protective filters and zero problems. I do have a high quality clear filter for use in bad weather....blowing sand along the beach areas. If one is by nature rough on their cars, toys and camera gear then maybe its a good idea - or - if ones shooting conditions preclude the use of protective filters then do so. I do have polarizers and G/ND's and use them sparingly.

Always found it wise to never have a filter on a lens for quick / grab shots and not have to think about the filter interfering in any way. If using a protective filter buy the best out there.


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Dec 27, 2009 13:47 |  #7

kitacanon wrote in post #9270937 (external link)
Added the filter to 1st post...Nikon L1A....and I'll continue to use it and remove it when I can see the difference....


How good are the Nikon filters? They don't look so great to me. Do the high end Hoya/Heliopan/B+W give flare like that too?




  
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Dec 27, 2009 14:01 |  #8

mrkgoo wrote in post #9271055 (external link)
How good are the Nikon filters? They don't look so great to me. Do the high end Hoya/Heliopan/B+W give flare like that too?

Yeah, that's unacceptable. Ghosting is the worst I've seen, and that's a totally different animal/cause.

Is that filter clean? Oil film maybe? Good filters use Schott glass, are precision multicoated, and rigdedly mounted in anodized brass housings.
http://www.hpmarketing​corp.com/heliopan.html (external link)


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Dec 27, 2009 14:49 |  #9

blackhawk wrote in post #9271127 (external link)
Yeah, that's unacceptable. Ghosting is the worst I've seen, and that's a totally different animal/cause.

Is that filter clean? Oil film maybe? Good filters use Schott glass, are precision multicoated, and rigdedly mounted in anodized brass housings.
http://www.hpmarketing​corp.com/heliopan.html (external link)

The filter is clean as a whistle...here are a couple of RAW 100% crops taken @ F4 with it on...all sliders at mid-flat/picture style: Faithful/USM added 200/.3/0

The point is that in SOME situations, filters will degrade an image...not all the time as you can see here....

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My Canon kit 450D/s90; Canon lenses 18-55 IS, 70-210/3.5-4.5....Nikon kit: D610; 28-105/3.5-4.5, 75-300/4.5-5.6 AF, 50/1.8D Nikkors, Tamron 80-210; MF Nikkors: 50/2K, 50/1.4 AI-S, 50/1.8 SeriesE, 60/2.8 Micro Nikkor (AF locked), 85mm/1.8K-AI, 105/2.5 AIS/P.C, 135/2.8K/Q.C, 180/2.8 ED, 200/4Q/AIS, 300/4.5H-AI, ++ Tamron 70-210/3.8-4, Vivitar/Kiron 28/2, ser.1 70-210/3.5, ser.1 28-90; Vivitar/Komine and Samyang 28/2.8; 35mm Nikon F/FM/FE2, Rebel 2K...HTC RE UWA camera

  
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Dec 27, 2009 15:02 |  #10

I never see issues with the Heliopans other than occasional ghosting from bright light sources. Your flaring issues may be related to the coatings used or not used.


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