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RenéDamkot Cream of the Crop 39,856 posts Likes: 8 Joined Feb 2005 Location: enschede, netherlands More info | Jan 04, 2010 16:05 | #31 Here's a good read on the subject: http://photofocus.com/2010/01/04/the-hdr-wars/ "I think the idea of art kills creativity" - Douglas Adams
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dugcross Senior Member 879 posts Likes: 3 Joined Jan 2008 Location: St. Petersburg, Florida More info | Jan 04, 2010 16:07 | #32 Kevin wrote in post #9323332 Those that look at alternative imagery such as HDR and say they don't like it to me are close minded. Do these same individuals while visiting a museum say that they don't like retro art because it was not done like Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa, "now that's art". How many photographers look at oil paintings or watercolors not as art because it was not taken with a camera? OH, I know, that's different. HDR has a permanent place in today's imagery and it's not because we have to bracket to get the right exposure. Or, because the painterly effect of an image is not true hdr or even a real photograph. Fact is a "painterly" image is not really and hdr, so why do we label it so. To achieve a painterly effect one might merge several images of different exposures together, thereby increasing the tonal range, but does not mean it is an hdr. Producing a painterly effect to an image is no different than a painter using different brushes or wooded patterns to create special brush strokes to a painting for effect. Same goes for excessive tone mapping, it is the creativity of the artist with the pen or mouse to express what he or she sees of a scene and again not hdr. There are several companies producing software allowing us as artists the tools of hundreds of brushes to take that one in a million photograph and turn it into one in a trillion if we wish. You can even take a scene that is so familiar to everyone and through software from Lucis Art, Topaz, Stuck-N-Customs and others, and make it an art piece to be enjoyed by others. Georgia O'Keeffe was once ridiculed by her colleges for using scrap wood to oil paint her desert scenes instead of canvas, as was the norm. Those pieces now hang in the Georgia O'Keeffe Museum in Santa Fe, New Mexico. So, it's OK by me if the next time you look at one of my images and say you don't like it, you can even tell me so if you wish. But to say that every image that was not taken using the age long practices of photography, not processed correctly or was created by using several images and software is an hdr is a misjudgment. OK, I'm off my soapbox ![]() Amen Kevin, Amen! Doug Cross
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Kevin Cream of the Crop 5,920 posts Likes: 2 Joined Sep 2005 More info | Jan 04, 2010 16:12 | #33 René Damkot wrote in post #9323375 Here's a good read on the subject: http://photofocus.com/2010/01/04/the-hdr-wars/ I subscribe to this too, a must IMO. Thanks Rene' I meant to add the link.
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dugcross Senior Member 879 posts Likes: 3 Joined Jan 2008 Location: St. Petersburg, Florida More info | Jan 04, 2010 16:12 | #34 René Damkot wrote in post #9323375 Here's a good read on the subject: http://photofocus.com/2010/01/04/the-hdr-wars/ That hits the nail on the head perfectly! Doug Cross
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neilwood32 Cream of the Crop 6,231 posts Likes: 5 Joined Sep 2007 Location: Sitting atop the castle, Edinburgh, Scotland More info | Jan 05, 2010 07:26 | #36 Spacemunkie - your HDR images are the sort that I personally like to see with the HDR allowing the reclamation of the detail. Having a camera makes you no more a photographer than having a hammer and some nails makes you a carpenter - Claude Adams
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breal101 Goldmember 2,724 posts Likes: 10 Joined Aug 2006 More info | Jan 05, 2010 08:13 | #37 I really like the pictures posted by Spacemunkie, not just because they're a skillful use of HDR but also because they're very nice images regardless of the technique. I also was extremely impressed by this one posted by Kevin in the HDR section, it might be over the top for some but it strikes me as an outstanding image. The only minor gripe I have is he won't tell us exactly how he processed it. "Try to go out empty and let your images fill you up." Jay Maisel
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Jan 05, 2010 14:33 | #39 I find the HDR 'glow' to be distracting on a lot of shots. Not just the saturation and halos. Still I admit it has it's uses and you won't get away with some shots without using it. Even in the above examples I see slight glow (On that log in particular). Nice shots overall though. Canon 450D/XSi (Retired), Canon 70D, Canon 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 STM, Canon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 EF-S IS, Canon 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 EF-S IS, Canon 80-200mm f/4.5-5.6 EF II, Sigma 30mm F1.4, 430EX Mk I, Canon Powershot S2 IS, Canon Powershot S90 IS, Sigma 1.6x closeup lens.
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Kevin Cream of the Crop 5,920 posts Likes: 2 Joined Sep 2005 More info | Jan 05, 2010 21:46 | #40 breal101 wrote in post #9327813 I really like the pictures posted by Spacemunkie, not just because they're a skillful use of HDR but also because they're very nice images regardless of the technique. I also was extremely impressed by this one posted by Kevin in the HDR section, it might be over the top for some but it strikes me as an outstanding image. The only minor gripe I have is he won't tell us exactly how he processed it. ![]() https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=797842 If you are using Firefox with a exif viewer add-on you can see all exif data including processing data from Photomatix. I hide nothing
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breal101 Goldmember 2,724 posts Likes: 10 Joined Aug 2006 More info | Jan 05, 2010 22:15 | #41 Sorry Kevin, I must have misunderstood your comments in that thread. I'm on Safari right now but I do have Firefox and exif viewer. I'll have to check it out, thanks for the info and again great work! "Try to go out empty and let your images fill you up." Jay Maisel
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xMClass Goldmember 2,203 posts Joined Jun 2008 Location: California More info | Jan 05, 2010 22:20 | #42 Absolutely not. Especially with cars. -Mikey
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Permagrin High Priestess of all I survey 77,915 posts Likes: 21 Joined Aug 2006 Location: day dreamin' More info | I like some, not others. I was just reading a tutorial on it from a photographer who has one of his hdr's now hanging in the smithsonian. .. It's Permie's world, we just live in it! ~CDS
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PMCphotography Goldmember 1,775 posts Joined Sep 2009 Location: Tasmania, Australia. More info | Jan 06, 2010 03:37 | #44 I'm not a big fan. Twitter
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Jan 06, 2010 04:12 | #45 Dick Emery wrote in post #9330361 Even in the above examples I see slight glow (On that log in particular). Nice shots overall though. That 'glow' was processed in - it's not a tonemapping artefact.
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