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Jan 08, 2010 13:45 |  #421
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Now compare the prices of:

canon 200/2 & Nikon 200/2

new canon 100mm macro & Nikon 105mm macro

Canon are happy to price higher.


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Jan 08, 2010 13:46 |  #422

joeyjoeyjoey wrote in post #9351770 (external link)
Got to test the EF 70-200mm ƒ/2.8L IS II USM yesterday. Really not much difference, physically/weight between this and original one. Optically, the II is sharper at @200mm ƒ/2.8 but not so much that I would want to sell my version for this. What does make you stop and think is the new IS, this thing is a monster allowing me handhold at .5 sec @200mm.

I think that you'll find that the 4 stop is good for 1/15th sec, not 1/2 second. That would be a 9 stop IS unit. According to the Canon blub, this lens uses a 4 stop IS unit, the old lens used a 3 stop. The difference between 1/25th sec and 1/15th(ish). It's better, but not a whole lot better. I wonder if the AF is a bit better, and the IQ is a bit better too. As if the whole lens was slightly upgraded in every area?


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Jan 08, 2010 13:58 |  #423

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Now compare the prices of:

canon 200/2 & Nikon 200/2

new canon 100mm macro & Nikon 105mm macro

Canon are happy to price higher.

Hopefully Canon's zoom and prime pricing have unique theories.




  
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Jan 08, 2010 15:11 |  #424

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I think that you'll find that the 4 stop is good for 1/15th sec, not 1/2 second. That would be a 9 stop IS unit. According to the Canon blub, this lens uses a 4 stop IS unit, the old lens used a 3 stop. The difference between 1/25th sec and 1/15th(ish). It's better, but not a whole lot better. I wonder if the AF is a bit better, and the IQ is a bit better too. As if the whole lens was slightly upgraded in every area?

Its meant to be 4 stops below 1/250 which would be 1/15 like you say. Going by this same reasoning though 3 stop IS should be good for 1/30 not 1/25.

This is not to say that someone could not get a usable shot at a slower shutter speed than 1/15 with 4 stop IS. It would still increase the chances of a keeper at slower speeds over a similar lens without IS.




  
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Jan 08, 2010 15:12 |  #425

joeyjoeyjoey wrote in post #9351770 (external link)
Got to test the EF 70-200mm ƒ/2.8L IS II USM yesterday. Really not much difference, physically/weight between this and original one. Optically, the II is sharper at @200mm ƒ/2.8 but not so much that I would want to sell my version for this. What does make you stop and think is the new IS, this thing is a monster allowing me handhold at .5 sec @200mm.

The body I used it on was the EOS 1D Mark IV. This body fooled me as when they ask what body I shot with I told them Mark III and they mounted the lens to what I thought was the Mark III. I was scratching my head as to why there are so much more AF points that I could choose from and figured it was a custom function that i had missed. Only till I asked if I could use the Mark IV that they told me I had been using it all this time. I think it's great they kept the buttons/interfaces the same. Really allows Mark III owners just to pick up the Mark IV and start shooting. Much different than when it went from Mark II to Mark III.

But back to the lens, I find that optically it's better than the original but not enough to render the first version obsolete, but the new IS used... man that is a beast.

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Jan 08, 2010 15:20 |  #426

I bought the MK1 about 10 days ago :(
It's on Amazon and so I can return it... I am fighting between return or keeping it, please advise?
I don't in hurry need it, but I am affraid that if I return it then the price annouce somewhere around 2200 or up then it'll be out of my budget.
I bought it brand new at Amazon for $1600 (personal special gold box price).
The price was okay to me and happy to keep it but if the MK2 selling at 2K or so, I will feel really bad because I have a chance to return the MK1.
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Jan 08, 2010 15:22 |  #427

dongson wrote in post #9353493 (external link)
I bought the MK1 about 10 days ago :(
It's on Amazon and so I can return it... I am fighting between return or keeping it, please advise?
I don't in hurry need it, but I am affraid that if I return it then the price annouce somewhere around 2200 or up then it'll be out of my budget.
I bought it brand new at Amazon for $1600 (personal special gold box price).
The price was okay to me and happy to keep it but if the MK2 selling at 2K or so, I will feel really bad because I have a chance to return the MK1.
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"Worst case" it's $2,000.... Realistically, you're right it's probably $2200+.


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Jan 08, 2010 15:23 |  #428
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It's not going to be $2k


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Jan 08, 2010 15:51 |  #429

dongson wrote in post #9353493 (external link)
I bought the MK1 about 10 days ago :(
It's on Amazon and so I can return it... I am fighting between return or keeping it, please advise?
I don't in hurry need it, but I am affraid that if I return it then the price annouce somewhere around 2200 or up then it'll be out of my budget.
I bought it brand new at Amazon for $1600 (personal special gold box price).
The price was okay to me and happy to keep it but if the MK2 selling at 2K or so, I will feel really bad because I have a chance to return the MK1.
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If you dont need it badly, why not return it and see what happens. The old version's price wont go up for sure. --------except the new one really sucks.however, I dont think it will happen.:p


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Jan 08, 2010 16:07 |  #430

Dongson, I'm in the same boat, bought mine from Amazon a week before Christmas. I've resolved in that I'm keeping it, the $1650 I paid was at the very top of what I was going to pay anyway and just looking at some of the prices here no way I was going to pay that much more for the new one.


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Jan 08, 2010 16:18 |  #431

I don't see how anyone can expect this lens to be around $2k (or less) on an initial release. It's all about supply and demand. Canon is going to have a huge demand problem for the first few months and many will be quite thrilled to pay a premium to get their hands on one. As such, Canon would happily oblige and retail this for a good wad of money - because it'll still sell. Like hotcakes.


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Jan 08, 2010 16:34 |  #432

dongson wrote in post #9353493 (external link)
I bought the MK1 about 10 days ago :(
It's on Amazon and so I can return it... I am fighting between return or keeping it, please advise?
I don't in hurry need it, but I am affraid that if I return it then the price annouce somewhere around 2200 or up then it'll be out of my budget.
I bought it brand new at Amazon for $1600 (personal special gold box price).
The price was okay to me and happy to keep it but if the MK2 selling at 2K or so, I will feel really bad because I have a chance to return the MK1.
Thanks
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Blimey! Well if ever I ever read a chance to return something while you can, and plan an upgraded *better* version this is it mate! The initial Canon price will fall reasonably quickly; and you'll thank yourself in the long run for getting the latest available technology when you more or less made the budget; which if you don't quite have now, have a bit of patience and watch prices fall and your savings bubble up! :)

My plan btw ;)


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Jan 08, 2010 16:38 |  #433

I don't want to be the party pooper but it's unlikely the introduction of the 70-200/2.8L IS II is going to affect the pricing of the mk1 significantly. I'm basing my opinion on what has happened and is happening with the 24L vs. 24L ii. The 24L mk1 has not dropped in price.


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Jan 08, 2010 16:48 |  #434

dongson wrote in post #9353493 (external link)
I bought the MK1 about 10 days ago :(
It's on Amazon and so I can return it... I am fighting between return or keeping it, please advise?
I don't in hurry need it, but I am affraid that if I return it then the price annouce somewhere around 2200 or up then it'll be out of my budget.
I bought it brand new at Amazon for $1600 (personal special gold box price).
The price was okay to me and happy to keep it but if the MK2 selling at 2K or so, I will feel really bad because I have a chance to return the MK1.
Thanks
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I'd keep it. $1600 is a good price for the mk I, and there's pretty much no way the mk II is going to be selling for less than $2200. I wouldn't be surprised if it hit the market another couple hundred above even that.




  
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Jan 08, 2010 17:15 as a reply to  @ dpark's post |  #435

The original price of the first EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM back in 2001 was 280,000 yen, or USD $3,050.44, not adjuted for inflation. The same lens currently retails for about USD $1,699, some nine years later.

I know we are all hoping for the II version to begin at no higher than $2,200-$2,500, but realistically, there is a very good chance it will be close to $3,000, if not more.


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