1D MKIIN a good upgrade from 40D?

I have been saving to buy a third body, I already have a 40D and a 20D and will probably sell the 20D when I get another body. So my heart was set on a 1D series body with the MKIIN being the one I can more easily afford. But is it a good upgrade from my 40D or should save a bit more and get a 5D MK1 (the 5d MK2 is out of my price range) or a 7D?
My thoughts so far:

1D MKIIN
For:
Pro body therefore more durable and better weather sealing
Excellent reviews on the internet
Dual memory card slots
Against:
Older technology
Usually well used

7D
For:
Latest technolgy
HD Video
Almost as fast FPS as the 1D MKIIN
New AF system
Against:
Relatively untried
Lots of people complaining about image quality

5D
For:
Full frame
Good reports on image quality
Against:
No weather sealing
Slow FPS

So am I missing anything?
Has anyone used both the 7D and 1D MKIIN? If so what are your thoughts? Any advice is appreciated.

Del

Ha! I find this thread funny, as I am about to sell my 1Dmk2 so I have the cash for a 40D! I suppose it all depends on what you're using it for.

Hey, wanna trade?

IdmkIIn all the way. If you don't need the slightly larger buffer, the larger display, and can do without PictureStyles, consider the 1DmkII as well.

Once you use a 1-Series, you'll never go back to a XXD. I picked up a 40D last year, and kept it for less than a week.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #9329212
Ha! I find this thread funny, as I am about to sell my 1Dmk2 so I have the cash for a 40D! I suppose it all depends on what you're using it for.

Hey, wanna trade?

Sorry but I really want to keep the 40D as a backup to whatever I get.

What do you (want to) shoot?
How's the 40D holding you back?

What lenses do you have? Budget for other / more lenses?

Any of the mentioned camera's is better then the 20D.

While you have done a nice chart of the pros and cons of each body, as René mentioned, no one can answer your question until you tell us what you shoot. Although some will.

I have both the 5D and IDMkII (not N). They are two entirely different camera designed for different missions. I use one (5D) for portraits, landcapes, etc., and one (IDMkII)for sports.

Let us know what you intend to do. Strictly out of curiousity why do you need a third body?

BTW, two pluses of the 1D you did not include are 1) Focusing speed and 2) Shutter button lag. These are what make it a great sports camera.

matonanjin wrote in post #9329783
While you have done a nice chart of the pros and cons of each body, as René mentioned, no one can answer your question until you tell us what you shoot. Although some will.

I have both the 5D and IDMkII (not N). They are two entirely different camera designed for different missions. I use one (5D) for portraits, landcapes, etc., and one (IDMkII)for sports.

Let us know what you intend to do. Strictly out of curiousity why do you need a third body?

BTW, two pluses of the 1D you did not include are 1) Focusing speed and 2) Shutter button lag. These are what make it a great sports camera.

I don't need 3 bodies and intend selling the 20D. I shoot anything from wildlife to weddings, so I am really looking to get an all round performer. As far lenses go I have a 16-35 f/2.8L MKII, a nifty fifty and a 70-200 f/2.8L IS I am hoping to add either a 300 f/4L, a 400 f/5.6L or a Sigma 100-300 f/4, but that's another dilema

Del

I would say no doubt go for a 1D Mk II or 1D Mk II N unless you are after video but at the prices the 1D Mk II/N is going for these days, save the extra for lenses. The 1D Mk II/N is a great all around body as long as you don't mind the size and weight (never bothered me).

The AF on the 1D Mk II is better then the 40D and is worlds ahead of the 5D classic. Against the 7D it's a pretty even toss up in the AF department from what I've read.

I think a lot of people complain bout the 7D because they are inexperienced perhaps and just jumped into DSLR world and expect the new camera to instantly give them super results. I would go with the 7D with the 1dmkIIn as a close second, forget about the 5D, it doesn't really compare to the other two.

Coming from a 40D and going to my 7D I have never looked back if I go 1D I rather wait for the mrk3 to drop more with the mrkIV coming out

I just upgraded from a 40d to a 1d MarkII and the change was remarkable. The 1d Mark II is an incredible camera.

Tom Reichner wrote in post #9329212
Ha! I find this thread funny, as I am about to sell my 1Dmk2 so I have the cash for a 40D! I suppose it all depends on what you're using it for.

Hey, wanna trade?

I'm selling my 40d if you're interested!

Rather than start another thread, I hope the op does not mind if I ask this question along the same line that he asked.

I'm looking to upgrade to the 1d MIIN from a 40D, solely for the higher iso speed and reduction in noise. Shooting in gyms with 2.8 lens at 1600 or 3200 is producing some terrible noise. I shoot predominately sports, but also use the 40D for landscapes, portrait when needed.

What noise reduction can I expect from making the move to the 1d MIIN?

Thanks

Bryn

bjoynes wrote in post #9384776
Rather than start another thread, I hope the op does not mind if I ask this question along the same line that he asked.

I'm looking to upgrade to the 1d MIIN from a 40D, solely for the higher iso speed and reduction in noise. Shooting in gyms with 2.8 lens at 1600 or 3200 is producing some terrible noise. I shoot predominately sports, but also use the 40D for landscapes, portrait when needed.

What noise reduction can I expect from making the move to the 1d MIIN?

Thanks

Bryn

I made this move last August. The 1DIIN is a great camera. I had never even held a 1D body before I bought it. But it is the most comfortable camera I've ever held. It just melts into your hands.

At first I thought the IIN had better high ISO than my 40D. Well it does and doesn't. It is more sensitive to proper exposure especially at ISO 3200. Properly exposed I think ISO 1600 is a little better, better retention of detail.

At low ISO the IIN is better. Even though it's 12bit it seems to have better depth and DR plus again it is sharper with better detail and the files hold up better to processing.

All my lenses seem better on the IIN than on the 40D. I would not trade the IIN even up for the 7D. IQ at low ISO I would take the IIN every time. Other than some marginal resolution gain from the 7D the IIN has (IMO) better IQ at ISO 800 and below.

Plus at the current prices you can get a IIN and a nice lens like the 35/2 or 85/1.8 for less than the cost of the 7D.

Gene

bjoynes wrote in post #9384776
Rather than start another thread, I hope the op does not mind if I ask this question along the same line that he asked.

I'm looking to upgrade to the 1d MIIN from a 40D, solely for the higher iso speed and reduction in noise. Shooting in gyms with 2.8 lens at 1600 or 3200 is producing some terrible noise. I shoot predominately sports, but also use the 40D for landscapes, portrait when needed.

What noise reduction can I expect from making the move to the 1d MIIN?

Thanks

Bryn

Why would I mind? You've brought up a great point. I have had pretty good results with my 40D at 1600 and 3200 ISO in churches and at wedding reception though. I have another idea for me though, if I combine my lens fund with my camera fund I could probably afford a 1DMKIII. I've just got to stop coming up with different scenarios or else I'll never buy anything So I'll ask this one question, is the AF on the MKIII as bad as some people say? I hear people complain about the 40D but I've never had any problems with mine

Del

kini wrote in post #9385016
I made this move last August. The 1DIIN is a great camera. I had never even held a 1D body before I bought it. But it is the most comfortable camera I've ever held. It just melts into your hands.

At first I thought the IIN had better high ISO than my 40D. Well it does and doesn't. It is more sensitive to proper exposure especially at ISO 3200. Properly exposed I think ISO 1600 is a little better, better retention of detail.

At low ISO the IIN is better. Even though it's 12bit it seems to have better depth and DR plus again it is sharper with better detail and the files hold up better to processing.

All my lenses seem better on the IIN than on the 40D. I would not trade the IIN even up for the 7D. IQ at low ISO I would take the IIN every time. Other than some marginal resolution gain from the 7D the IIN has (IMO) better IQ at ISO 800 and below.

Plus at the current prices you can get a IIN and a nice lens like the 35/2 or 85/1.8 for less than the cost of the 7D.

Gene

This ^

Proper exposure with the 1D Mk II is critical for the high ISO noise performance you will experience. The 1D Mk II has a noise grain and quality that is different then the 40D's high ISO noise and is very film like. The files take processing and sharpening beautifully compared to a lot of bodies and the detail retention at high ISO speeds is quite good. The low ISO performance is beautiful and the amount of detail in the files is terrific along with this silky smooth quality in the OOF areas.

They are a steal at the prices they are going for these days.