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Jan 08, 2010 11:20 |  #16

The vast majority of lighting gear, regardless of sticker price, is over-priced for what they are. A $200 'bargain' canbe just as over-priced as a $1000 'higher quality' unit. However, such is life when it comes to lighting. In most cases you get what you pay for, but, like in most things, there are limits and exceptions to that rule.

Some lower-end mfg's and their fans argue (obliquely) that "spendy more is silly/wasting money" while other end argues that "anything less is junk" and round we go. This makes it tough when buying your first modifiers, especially online, to mentally justify X vs Y for +$$$. Toss in online brand loyalties and things get muddy quickly.

OP - some things to consider:

1. You're idea of buying a few higher quality units vs a myriad of cheaper ones is solid. Selling used, lower-end SBs when you've decided to shift brands or shift your modifier sizes around can be costly. A realistic used price, shipped really favors the buyer as even a small SB can entail stiff shipping. Industry 'standard' units that can be used across more than 1 light brand, even with an adapter, will have easier, less painful, resale.

2. Whether or not you think you'll ever use grids, stick to a brand that ALLOWS grid use. Grids themselves are varying degrees of silly-spendy, no need to add to the cost by having to take a hit on swapping out Box A for grid-enabled Box B.

2A. When pricing a box, price the grid as well. Some SB manufacturers have a tendency to have SB sizes that vary from those of their peers. This makes using a cheaper 3rd party grid, say from Photoflex ($), impossible and means the SB maker's own grids ($$), no grids (hello Elinchrom) or custom grids ($$$$$).

3. Silver units are more efficient in light delivery than white. White delivers a softer light and silver typically cost more (price gap varies by manufacturer).

4. Build quality means a lot. Strong/durable fabrics and inner liners and diffuers, steel poles, reliable and solid speed rings, strong corners, velcro (and enough of it) that stays put.

5. Balance ease of opening vs quality of construction. Easy opening but lasts-3-shoots/won't take grids/uneven across the front is about as nice as a units that's built-like-a-brick, even as hell, but is a 10-minute "...who designed this #$%^& nightmare...?" set-up struggle.

6. Don't fixate on the brand from your light manufacturer. Stay brand agnostic. Try, all other things being equal, to pick modifiers that if able, will last you years and across various light brands. No one maker has a perfect line, and no one maker is all junk either.




  
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Jan 08, 2010 12:03 |  #17

Thanks for the help. I just want to be a better educated consumer. I just want to know why I'm spending the extra money instead of assuming the more I spend the better item I will get. I've been around long enough to know know that's not always the case.


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Jan 08, 2010 12:15 |  #18

mayerk wrote in post #9352155 (external link)
Thanks for the help. I just want to be a better educated consumer. I just want to know why I'm spending the extra money instead of assuming the more I spend the better item I will get. I've been around long enough to know know that's not always the case.

That's an excellent and healthy attitude. Keep us posted and don't hesitate to ask more questions.


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Jan 08, 2010 12:17 |  #19

Actually the side material on PCB foldable boxs is quite solid. And their grids are also quite nice, much better than eBay junk you get for cheap. I only have their strip box and find light quality to be quite same as the one from my photoflex SB. I haven't done any testing on hot spots etc. One thing with PCB boxs is that internal is silver, with photoflex, litedome series come with white and multidome series come with white with optional silver/gold inserts.


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Jan 08, 2010 12:24 |  #20

does anyone use the Photoflex boxes w/ speedlites? i'm assuming there's a speedring for that?


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Jan 08, 2010 12:25 |  #21

bobbyz wrote in post #9352242 (external link)
Actually the side material on PCB foldable boxs is quite solid. And their grids are also quite nice, much better than eBay junk you get for cheap. I only have their strip box and find light quality to be quite same as the one from my photoflex SB. I haven't done any testing on hot spots etc. One thing with PCB boxs is that internal is silver, with photoflex, litedome series come with white and multidome series come with white with optional silver/gold inserts.

The Photoflex Silverdome has the silver interior.

I don't necessarily see white and silver interiors as better or making a modifier better. It's all about quality of light. Some people prefer one over the other and in the case of shooting very soft head shots and portraits or shooting people that don't have great skin or are getting up there in years the white is much more forgiving.


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Jan 08, 2010 12:28 |  #22

narlus wrote in post #9352280 (external link)
does anyone use the Photoflex boxes w/ speedlites? i'm assuming there's a speedring for that?

There is a Photoflex bracket that can be used with a few of their boxes. I've always made my own brackets but in answer to your question... yes, I use Speedlight's and hot shoe flashes with Photoflex softboxes. They work great. You do need to use the wide diffusion panel or a Sto-fen (knockoff's are fine) to give you even coverage. Without using the panel or Sto-fen the light is forward firing and much too directional.


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Jan 08, 2010 12:54 |  #23

TMR Design wrote in post #9351817 (external link)
Yup, you can use any standard modifier, including Photoflex with your Elinchrom strobes by using this speed ring:

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_Ring_for_Elinc​hrom_.html (external link)

I shoot with Elinchrom strobes and use that exact speed ring for my non-Elinchrom modifiers.

B&H does ship internationally.

Thanks for your advice on the speed ring. What photoflex soft box have you used to do full body shots. I was looking at a 36 x48 But looking on B&H site I am confused as to what model to order.




  
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Jan 08, 2010 13:03 |  #24

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Thanks for your advice on the speed ring. What photoflex soft box have you used to do full body shots. I was looking at a 36 x48 But looking on B&H site I am confused as to what model to order.

I've used the 36" x 48" LiteDome with a Nikon SB-900 for full length work and it works great. I'm not a big fan on the Stofen type devices so I choose to drop the wide diffusion panel over the flash's lens and it gives me very even coverage.

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Jan 08, 2010 13:08 |  #25

TMR Design wrote in post #9352529 (external link)
I've used the 36" x 48" LiteDome with a Nikon SB-900 for full length work and it works great. I'm not a big fan on the Stofen type devices so I choose to drop the wide diffusion panel over the flash's lens and it gives me very even coverage.

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Thanks for your help. the photo is look I am wanting. Cheers. :)




  
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Jan 08, 2010 16:04 |  #26

One more question. Is it safe to assume that most any softbox is alright for use with the modeling lamp on? I usually dont use one anyway but its a good thing to know. I'd be afraid to damage the baffle.


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Jan 08, 2010 16:08 |  #27

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One more question. Is it safe to assume that most any softbox is alright for use with the modeling lamp on? I usually dont use one anyway but its a good thing to know. I'd be afraid to damage the baffle.

It's not a problem. The Photoflex softboxes (and others) either have vents or give you the ability to leave the back of the box open to allow heat to escape if you feel it's getting too hot.

As with anything, monitor the amount of heat the light is producing and if it seems t be getting too hot then shut the modeling light off. Many people just use the modeling lights to set up the shot and then turn them off.


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Jan 08, 2010 17:21 |  #28

The volume and quality of information here is incredible. Just want to thank all of you who freely offer up your knowledge and experience.


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Jan 10, 2010 19:36 |  #29

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Don't take this as knocking PCB but I feel the build and materials are a bit cheaper than Photoflex. I've never measured evenness of light so I can't comment on the amount of falloff of PCB modifiers. Quality of light is quite good from the PCB box but there is more of a hot spot as a result of the flash tube and back plate on the strobe.
There's nothing wrong with a hot spot as long as you know how to work with it, especially up close where it's more apparent and falloff is more rapid.

For my taste, I prefer light that comes from a softbox box to be more even and if I want contrast I'll create that myself.

Am I correct that the PCB box does not have an inner baffle? Wouldn't this be a significant reason for the hot-spot you reference?




  
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Jan 10, 2010 19:40 |  #30

no, they have them.


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