-=1D Mark IV Owners Thread! (it's time)

Call me crazy, but when I saw some 1D Mark IV offered for around $1500 with less than 100k on the shutter, I thought to myself "if it hits $1000, I get another one".

For no rational reason of course ...

Cheers.

Phoenixkh wrote in post #17988150
Yeah, I paid $1650 for mine, back in November: 122k shutter actuations.

I'm still debating when I should replace the shutter assembly. Everything works perfectly now, but at some point, Canon will stop supporting it. I'm going to send it in for an inspection/cleaning, etc. since it's free with my CPS membership in June, after the birding season slows down. I'll ask them then if they have an idea when they will no longer support it.

I wonder if we can anticipate some kind of "advance warning" about discontinued support for the 1D4 when Canon announces it won't be supporting the 1D3 anymore?

Timphoto wrote in post #17988198
I wonder if we can anticipate some kind of "advance warning" about discontinued support for the 1D4 when Canon announces it won't be supporting the 1D3 anymore?

That makes sense. Truth be told, I haven't followed the 1D3 much. I know Canon just stopped supporting the 5Dc April 1st.

I'll keep an eye for an Canon announcement on the 1D3. Thank you for the advice/suggestion.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17988143
Anyway, its the last of the 1.3x, and I'll keep shooting it for that. Still love it's "in between" status, wider wides than APS-c, and longer longs than FF.

I am keeping mine too for this reason. And it has now become my remote camera for basketball backboards and hockey netcams, etc.

Phoenixkh wrote in post #17988150
Yeah, I paid $1650 for mine, back in November: 122k shutter actuations.

I'm still debating when I should replace the shutter assembly. Everything works perfectly now, but at some point, Canon will stop supporting it. I'm going to send it in for an inspection/cleaning, etc. since it's free with my CPS membership in June, after the birding season slows down. I'll ask them then if they have an idea when they will no longer support it.

It would appear that the general procedure has been to provide service for 7 years after the date of last production for the 1D series cameras.

To support this notion we know that here in Canada, the requirements for being a CPS member require ownership of specific camera models and parts availability is only assured for these specific models.
In Canon's words (quoted from the CPS site, as of today April 28, 2016): "Eligible products for member registration and service. In order to ensure rapid service turnaround, parts availability is assured for the following products. Any products not listed below will not be eligible for service turnaround within our stated turnaround targets. Please contact your CPS representative when in doubt. New products will be added to this list as they are released into the market and older products will be removed as their service life expires."

Here’s the list as of today (1D series only): EOS 1D Mark III, EOS 1D Mark IV, EOS 1Ds3 Mark III, EOS 1D X, EOS 1D X Mark II

Since April 4, 2014, the following models have been dropped: EOS 1Ds Mark II and the EOS 1D Mark IIN. It is 8½ years and 9 years respectively since they have been produced., well beyond the 7 year period following the end of production.

Of the models in the current Canon Canada CPS list (1D series only), the EOS 1D X Mark II is currently in production.

The EOS 1D Mark III, EOS 1D Mark IV, EOS 1Ds3 Mark III, and EOS 1D X have ended their production runs.

Based on the “rule” described above, I would expect:

The EOS 1D Mark III to reach end of service by either the end of June 2016 or later this year (possibly October 2016). It is now four generations old (a great grandfather) and been out of production for almost 7 years.
The EOS 1D Mark IV and the EOS 1Ds Mark III to reach end of service by the end of 2017. Alternatively, they may last until the 1DX3 begins production this making them four generations old at that point.
The EOS 1D X to reach end of service by April 2023, or until the 1DX4 begins production.

The decision on doing a new shutter on your 1D4 now, before Canon ends it's service life, must be made with the consideration that there is the possibility that by late 2017, used 1DX models may be available for a price low enough that spending more money on a 1D4 is unwise because it has dropped from the supported list. If, on the other hand, Canon keeps the last three generations of 1D models on the list, despite the date of last 1D4 production, the 1D4 may last until the 1DX3 starts rolling off the production lines ...

Maxdave

Your theory looks good Max, but I'd assume, perhaps wrongly, that the 1D3 and 1Ds3 would be taken out of service at the same time as they share 90% the same parts.

Thank you, Max, for your very thoughtful reply.

I think the price for a full shutter assembly is around $400 here in the States, with a small discount from CPS. So not that much, all things being unequal.

Then there is the ol' "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" thingie.

Maxdave wrote in post #17988375
decision on doing a new shutter on your 1D4 now, before Canon ends it's service life, must be made with the consideration that there is the possibility that by late 2017, used 1DX models may be available for a price low enough that spending more money on a 1D4 is unwise because it has dropped from the supported list.

1D4 sure like the 1DX is rocksolid, dual card, has huge AF, sealed battery pack and so on..
the plus, for sports/nature, this "halfway-crop-factor" i don't like to lose switching to FF.
anyway, in 2016 there's still people around shooting with the 10D or 30D!!
of course this is me, IMHO i think i'll be shooting with it until clicks

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17988392
Your theory looks good Max, but I'd assume, perhaps wrongly, that the 1D3 and 1Ds3 would be taken out of service at the same time as they share 90% the same parts.

Nice point, Jake. I would therefore also assume, that since this is the situation, that they will both be removed when the 1Ds3 is scheduled to be dropped, i.e. end 2017. This is turn might extend the life of the 1D4, because I doubt they would remove three models (1D3, 1Ds3 and 1D4) from the list at the same time.

Maxdave

Phoenixkh wrote in post #17988471
Thank you, Max, for your very thoughtful reply.

I think the price for a full shutter assembly is around $400 here in the States, with a small discount from CPS. So not that much, all things being unequal.

Then there is the ol' "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" thingie.

Has anyone on this board ever directly learned of a 1D4 failing because of shutter failure? Up here in Canada, I haven't found anyone who has direct knowledge of that happening ... and I asked multiple repair personal a year or so ago. In fact, more than one told me they had never encountered a failed 1D4 "PERIOD".

Max

Maxdave wrote in post #17989132
Has anyone on this board ever directly learned of a 1D4 failing because of shutter failure? Up here in Canada, I haven't found anyone who has direct knowledge of that happening ... and I asked multiple repair personal a year or so ago. In fact, more than one told me they had never encountered a failed 1D4 "PERIOD".

Max

I've seen two for sale here on POTN with a new shutter, if I'm remembering correctly. I have also seen more than two on eBay where the shutter assembly has been replaced. Of course, no details are given..... but shutters can and do fail, eventually. I'm not paranoid..... but I do try to anticipate things before they happen so I have a plan B in place.

Still, mine is working flawlessly at the moment. I doubt I'll do anything until I get to around 250k shutter actuations. Even then, I'll be keeping an eye on both used 1D IVs with low mileage and the 1D Xs that will be showing up at better price than now.

As I've been saying for a few days now.... what a great time to be a wildlife photographer. Great gear at used prices.

Ok,

I'm officially torn. I have a 70D and I'm very happy with it, but a used 1D mkIV has come knocking at my door for less than 1500 euro. I would need to invest some money in a couple of lenses (17-55 as a bare minimum and probably a 30mm one), as I have the EFS 15-85 and sigma 30mm. Can I expect only improvement in FPS? I suppose high ISO quality is much better on the mkIV. Any input? what would you guys do? has anybody used both and would prefer the D1?

Regards!

cubatahavana wrote in post #17989361
Ok,

I'm officially torn. I have a 70D and I'm very happy with it, but a used 1D mkIV has come knocking at my door for less than 1500 euro. I would need to invest some money in a couple of lenses (17-55 as a bare minimum and probably a 30mm one), as I have the EFS 15-85 and sigma 30mm. Can I expect only improvement in FPS? I suppose high ISO quality is much better on the mkIV. Any input? what would you guys do? has anybody used both and would prefer the D1?

Regards!

First of all, the 17-55 is an EF-S lens... so it won't work on the 1D IV. I got the reasonably priced 24-105 f/4 for a walk around lens on my 1D IV. The 24-105 is available in the States through Canon Direct as a refurb, but there are quite a few of them around used, in pristine condition since it's often packaged in Canon kits. The prices here are usually from $500 to $600 US. I don't know the prices for used equipment in Ireland. Other alternatives are the various 24-70 lenses, Canon and Tamron. They are quite a bit more money here and have a more limited range. However, the trade off is the 24-70 (f/2.8 or f/4) lenses tend to be a bit better than the 24-105. I loved my 15-85 on the 70D but was a bit frustrated with the 17-55 because of the reduced range.

On the second issue, I have a 70D. My wife has been using it for the past several months. It's a fine camera but the 1D IV is a much better camera for my uses, i.e., mostly birding with a few other wildlife categories thrown in for good measure. It's faster (10 FPS, depending on the lens and circumstances). The colors are very true so it needs no color adjustment in post processing. At least, this has been my experience. It is larger and heavier but I don't seem to notice because it is "just right" for me.

1500 Euros seems a bit high but I'm basing that on US pricing so I might be off base. I got mine back in November and paid $1650 US for it. Mine came with 122k shutter actuations, as I've mentioned before, but the body was in near perfect condition. Just a few scratches on the LCD that you can't see when the camera is on.

In my view, with the current pricing, the 1D IV is an amazing camera. I don't think you'll be disappointed should you decide that's the way you want to go.

cubatahavana wrote in post #17989361
Can I expect only improvement in FPS? I suppose high ISO quality is much better on the mkIV. Any input? what would you guys do? has anybody used both and would prefer the D1?

Regards!

Better FPS, much better auto focus, stronger/durability, better battery life, lower noise.

You will lose most video features (1D4 video is essentially an afterthought) AF capability in video drastically reduced etc..
tilty screen, wi-fi, and some other more modern tricks.

CyberDyneSystems wrote in post #17989390
Better FPS, much better auto focus, stronger/durability, better battery life, lower noise.

You will lose most video features (1D4 video is essentially an afterthought) AF capability in video drastically reduced etc..
tilty screen, wi-fi, and some other more modern tricks.

Well stated, CyberDS. I do like the live view on the 70D. It's very nice for macro and some real estate applications, etc. It's available on the 1D IV... sort of. It's a bit cumbersome to get to it so I haven't even tried it.