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Jan 16, 2010 09:24 |  #91

I think there are two kinds of people who defend gear posting. The first kind who list their "equipment" are about what Freud would call penis envy. The second type are the kind that elaborately rationalize about credentials, or jealousy, or helpfulness to newbs to prove their "equipment" list is not penis envy.

Equipment does not make you a photographer. For that reason, equipment lists serve no "healthy" function, no matter how hard one tries to rationalize it. Remember, Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. To argue that pride is a valid reason to post an equipment list says way more than you want to about yourself.




  
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Jan 16, 2010 09:35 |  #92

rral22 wrote in post #9404620 (external link)
Remember, Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. To argue that pride is a valid reason to post an equipment list says way more than you want to about yourself.

I guess it means that if you take great pride in your gear it says you're not Catholic, or at least not a strong practitioner anyway.

I take pride in my equipment, but don't list it here in my signature. It's more from being lazy than anything, but if anyone asks about what use I will tell them.
I'm personally a fan of having the gear listing either being subdued or through a link. I don't want a massive signature breaking the thread apart.


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Jan 16, 2010 09:51 |  #93

rral22 wrote in post #9404620 (external link)
I think there are two kinds of people who defend gear posting. The first kind who list their "equipment" are about what Freud would call penis envy. The second type are the kind that elaborately rationalize about credentials, or jealousy, or helpfulness to newbs to prove their "equipment" list is not penis envy.

Equipment does not make you a photographer. For that reason, equipment lists serve no "healthy" function, no matter how hard one tries to rationalize it. Remember, Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. To argue that pride is a valid reason to post an equipment list says way more than you want to about yourself.

I think you need to read a bit more Freud. He wouldn't have called that 'penis envy' at all.


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Jan 16, 2010 09:55 |  #94

I like being here and seeing everyone's signatures with abbreviated gear lists and then a link to a more extensive list. Having a list helps those who like to help without having to ask the questions of what do you use? what lenses you have, etc.? The best thing really is to leave the EXIF in tact for the images you post so we can all see what the settings were. If you need help with a shot, you can not avoid all those questions.

So, I think abbreviated lists are fine, especially if you represent yourself as someone who's knowledgeable.


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Jan 16, 2010 10:28 |  #95

ConDigital wrote in post #9394805 (external link)
Whats everyones feelings like about listing lots of gear in sigs?

Showing off?
Irritating looking at them?
Very handy to know what people are using?
Hate them?
Everyone should list their gear?

Your thoughts?

I personally find it very handy knowing what gear people. I don't like when there is no gear listed and I want to know what gear (specifically lenses) they used for shots. If they list in their post what gear was used that is ok too.


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Jan 16, 2010 10:33 |  #96

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It goes both ways positive or negative. But I think it's more misleading or intimidating for a lot of the new photographers because they might think buying expensive equipments such as camera bodies and lenses are necessary to take great photos. Though some specialized lenses or camera bodies are required to do certain things, expensive equipments does not replace technique, composition, style, etc. The best camera or lenses are the ones that we got. People sometimes compliment me for my photos. "wow that's a great picture, you must have a very expensive or really good camera!" This statement is like giving compliment to a chef after eating a delicious meal, "Wow, you must have expensive or really good pots and pans!"If someone is really unsure about the performance of a camera or a lens, they can check out reviews on dpreview or fredmiranda.

In terms of using your list of equipments for credential or proving one's validity, why not have a your website listed on the bottom so anyone who feels you're bull****ting could see your work and experience. Personally, you can have all L lenses on your sig and all 1 body series and it doesn't mean anything but you spend way too much money on your camera gear. Look at some of the best photographers in history, Henry Cartier Bresson, Robert Cappa, Lewis Hine, Ansel Adams, etc they were able to make amazing photographs with equipments that now we would think outdated by our standard.

As for professional photographers talking shop, I attended Look3 festival of the photograph last year in Virginia and met some of the best photographers in the world from Magnum, VII, Noor, etc Surprisingly, they talk about their equipments very little, well at least from my experience.

A great photograph is still a great photograph with cheap or expensive equipments
A bad photograph is still bad with cheap equipments and even worst with expensive ones.

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Yeah they are, if they complain about something mundane as a gear list.

Well, you'd have to define mundane, because most people's definition of that word will differ.

Is criticizing people using "L" mundane? Other than being annoying, it exacerbates people's want for lenses they don't "need" (it's your money: use it as you want, but more later). Better equipment doesn't make better photographers; it may facilitate photographs with lesser gear, but to think that just because one has a ludicrously expensive lenses means they are the end all of photographers, doesn't mean squat. I have see amazing work from people with the cheapest rebel and the cheapest zoom; I have seen abominable work from people sporting equipment which could buy be a new car.

Do you fit into this category, of people who can't shoot but have very expensive gear? No, I don't think so. But if I got a dollar for every time someone brags about L for the sake of having L, I could pay off my student loans.

(If you look at my gear list, you will take notice of the lack of "L". However, I've taken 20,625 pictures with "L" while working for a college paper. So, one can not only say my argument is philosophical, but also practical in the fact that I have experience with "L" and know what it's like as a tool.)


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Jan 16, 2010 11:20 |  #97

Mike-DT6 wrote in post #9404728 (external link)
I think you need to read a bit more Freud. He wouldn't have called that 'penis envy' at all.

Freud would have said.. "I envy your penis, err, umm, I mean your gear list."


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Jan 16, 2010 17:13 |  #98

Alex Majoli, Magnum photographer, shoots with a point and shoot camera. This is an example of how the equipment doesn't make the photographer http://www.robgalbrait​h.com …_page.asp?cid=7​-6468-7844 (external link)


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Jan 16, 2010 18:50 |  #99

rral22 wrote in post #9404620 (external link)
I think there are two kinds of people who defend gear posting. The first kind who list their "equipment" are about what Freud would call penis envy. The second type are the kind that elaborately rationalize about credentials, or jealousy, or helpfulness to newbs to prove their "equipment" list is not penis envy.

Equipment does not make you a photographer. For that reason, equipment lists serve no "healthy" function, no matter how hard one tries to rationalize it. Remember, Pride is one of the seven deadly sins. To argue that pride is a valid reason to post an equipment list says way more than you want to about yourself.

You failed psych 101 ..... didn't you ;)


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Jan 16, 2010 18:54 |  #100

carpediem291 wrote in post #9406823 (external link)
Alex Majoli, Magnum photographer, shoots with a point and shoot camera.

No offence, but everytime I see someone mention something along the lines as above. I think to myself "So what"?

Plenty of people get from point A to B driving a Hyundai. Doesn't make me want to.


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Jan 16, 2010 19:32 |  #101

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No offence, but everytime I see someone mention something along the lines as above. I think to myself "So what"?

Plenty of people get from point A to B driving a Hyundai. Doesn't make me want to.



Actually, if assuming point B is excellent photography, very few people get there irrespective of the camera used: and yeah, if some SOB takes a better photo using a cell phone than I will ever take using any camera, I have to admit, I am pretty impressed. I also think it is instructive for newcomers to understand the potential as well as limits of all cameras.

But in regards to gear lists, so what? Once and awhile, they can be interesting (ones that display some little known 3rd party manual focus lenses), but ultimately, I would rather see a link to the photos…that's where my envy lies.

By the way, just curious, but what motivated you to start this thread?


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Jan 16, 2010 19:40 |  #102

Personally I never gave the gear list a second thought unless I was interested in a particular topic or photo. Sure, I would love to have the money to buy the best of everything. Who in their right mind wouldn't? In the photography field I am pretty much a rank amateur compared to many on this forum. In another hobby I am pretty far up the food chain and I am more impressed with results than the gear list. Good gear only increases the likelihood of a great end product; however it still requires the raw talent to accomplish it.




  
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Jan 16, 2010 19:41 |  #103

sjones wrote in post #9407641 (external link)
By the way, just curious, but what motivated you to start this thread?

In my time here I've seen more than a few anti quips about gear lists from members. I was interested to see just how wide spread the feeling was (considering just how many people here do actually list their gear in their sigs or have a gear list it interested me).


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Jan 16, 2010 19:44 |  #104

I like to see what people are putting together for themselves... and if someone is doing a ton of portraits, what their gear list looks like compared to someone who is doing a lot of birding shots... I like to see how people are covering the range .. some from 10mm to 300-500mm ... I think it's interesting...


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Jan 16, 2010 19:44 |  #105

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In my time here I've seen more than a few anti quips about gear lists from members. I was interested to see just how wide spread the feeling was (considering just how many people here do actually list their gear in their sigs or have a gear list it interested me).

Fair enough.


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