Back up body for my new 50D, 10D or rebel?

Reflections2000 wrote in post #9448074
.. . So I guess my question now is will I see a significant difference between my 10D and a 20D or 30D?

Looks like I could sell my 10D for little to nothing, and throw in another $200 or so and move to a 30D. Just want to understand what I will be paying for.

Thank You.

I did when I jumped from 10D to 30D some years back. I still use my 30D as a backup camera and it still produces excellent shots.

The 10D is slow but does produce great IQ photos. The limitation for me is the lack of EF-S support without modding the lenses.

I'd g with an XXD so the controls are more similar over any of the Rebels.

20d/30d is faster (5fps), quicker operation, and produce better high ISO shots then the 10D. A 40d may be considered more of an upgrade with live view and a few other things, but not all that much of an improvement in IQ.

I would definatly get 20d/30d/40d to have the same batteries/cards/charge​r. Shooting with my 30d and Xti was a bit of a pain keeping the different batteries organised.

richierich1212 wrote in post #9433020
Yeah but how often will the OP be traveling to Africa? That's the main question...the 10D may not cut it.

Garbage...

The 10D will more than cut it on a trip to Africa - or a trip to anywhere.

I shot motorsport and travel for more than 3 years using just a 10D and 100-400 taking more than 300,000 frames with it - replaced 2 shutters in the process.

I'm after another 10D as a fourth body to use for remote use.

Keep the 10D as your second body/back up.
Why buy another body if you don't need to.

philwillmedia wrote in post #9449117
Why buy another body if you don't need to.

Someone on POTN who doesn't have Body Acquisition Syndrome? Wow....

I just upgaded to the 50D. I'll sell you my 30D. And yhe 30D is wort the upgrade just for the IQ and larger LCD.

I bought it used with just about 6500kliks on it from someone who turned Nikon.
turned Nikon? do people do that?

OP-What is it that you think the 10D can't handle on your trip? Are you using it now and obtaining the results you want? Is it not fast enough? Do you not get great pictures with the 10D and the 70-200 f/4?
Just curious.
Think what it is that the 10D is lacking as a backup before deciding on what camera to purchase if you purchase at all. Yes the 20D/30D/40D will have higher mp and will have more bells and whistles but it doesn't take bells and whistles to produce great pics.

dshoots wrote in post #9460953
OP-What is it that you think the 10D can't handle on your trip? Are you using it now and obtaining the results you want? Is it not fast enough? Do you not get great pictures with the 10D and the 70-200 f/4?
Just curious.
Think what it is that the 10D is lacking as a backup before deciding on what camera to purchase if you purchase at all. Yes the 20D/30D/40D will have higher mp and will have more bells and whistles but it doesn't take bells and whistles to produce great pics.

Then why do you want a 50D and L lenses?

mayt444 wrote in post #9461283
Then why do you want a 50D and L lenses?

Hi Clay. I assume that your question is back to dshoots and his/her own decision to move away from the 10D to a 50D? I had the same question, as I noticed those posts about the same time I started this thread where dshoots felt that the 10D was holding him/her back, and was looking at the at moving to a 50D or 7D.

Dshoots, I guess my approach is "I don't know what I don't know". In my original post I was asking my wiser brothers and sisters if I should keep my 10D, or through in a couple hundred bucks and move "up" to another body. Yes, like your posts last week, I am somewhat motivated by increased mp's. That's the part that I "think" I know. What I was asking was, is it worth buying up, and why, or why not. I don't disagree that I should be weighting the pros and cons, and know why I would pay more to change before doing so, but I guess that the "I don't know what I don't know" part is my effort to find what benefits I might get in a newer body. Sorry if that all sounds cryptic, but I'm assuming that many here have made that change, and might be better suited to help me quantify the differences.

Interestingly (and somewhat predictably) I find that current 10D users like yourself tend to say "it's a good body stick with it". Why I don't disagree that it is a good body (IMHO, I have taken many great photos with this body), I am not trying to put down the 10D, or those who prefer it. I'm just trying to make an intelligent, informed decision for myself prior to a lifetime trip.

Thanks again to all for all your help.

Signed,
Still Undecided.

I think you need to ask yourself again what the purpose of this is all about.

You have a 50d now as your main camera. Will YOU be using the second camera much?

A 10d in the hands of your daughter will produce fine images, just as fine as she would get with a XSi or 40d or 1DmkIV. Unless you know she will be needing more speed, higher ISO performance (above ISO800) then yes it should be a solid, durable camera to take to Africa. The megapixels won't make that much of a difference as long as you won't be doing heavy cropping. You will be using the 50d, she will be using the 10d, which is still a DSLR and better then any P&S.

If you think that YOU will be using the second/backup camera then by all means upgrade to something better. But perhaps the 10D would be a great learning tool for your daughter, and if she grabs an interest in photography and wants a faster/newer body then upgrade accordingly. The longer you wait, the cheaper the current bodies will drop in price.

If one is passionate about photography a back up camera is vital even if it sits in your bag unused for weeks at a time.. If you are passionate about photography the thought of having your camera out of action because it's in for repair is a downer..

I for example, because of where I live, to be without a back up is a scarey thought.. It could take many weeks turn around to have any equipment repaired..

I believe that the primary purpose of a backup camera is just that, a backup should my primary camera, heaven forbid, die. So my concern there is that I have a camera that will be up to the task should it become my ONLY camera in Africa.

As for my daughter, she loves photography and has used a DSLR on a few occasion, mainly when were on a trip someplace and she takes mine when I'm not looking. So this is great learning opportunity for both of us. My intent is to take the time to teach her as much as possible while we shoot side by side. Will her photos need to be cropped heavily? Hard to say right now, but as she will likely have the 70-200 on the backup when we are in the bush (we have 10 days of hunting and an additional 3 days in Etosha, so we have almost 2 weeks in on the ground, outside of city lights) I suspect that many of our shots will be long, and her photos are MORE likely to need heavy cropping that the 50D with the 50D. I can help that situation by adding a 1.4X to the 70-200 when the shooting is long.

So I note that she will be carrying the camera not as a indicator that I needs a kids camera, she is already pretty creative with a Canon PowerShots, but just that she will be carrying my backup.

DStanic wrote in post #9461944
I think you need to ask yourself again what the purpose of this is all about.

You have a 50d now as your main camera. Will YOU be using the second camera much?

A 10d in the hands of your daughter will produce fine images, just as fine as she would get with a XSi or 40d or 1DmkIV. Unless you know she will be needing more speed, higher ISO performance (above ISO800) then yes it should be a solid, durable camera to take to Africa. The megapixels won't make that much of a difference as long as you won't be doing heavy cropping. You will be using the 50d, she will be using the 10d, which is still a DSLR and better then any P&S.

If you think that YOU will be using the second/backup camera then by all means upgrade to something better. But perhaps the 10D would be a great learning tool for your daughter, and if she grabs an interest in photography and wants a faster/newer body then upgrade accordingly. The longer you wait, the cheaper the current bodies will drop in price.

mayt444 and OP - I am buying a second body so that I can share my love of photography with my family. Yes I would like to have more mp and the bells and whistles and better glass. With a second body and better glass my husband and I can both go to the woods and shoot wildlife or my son and I can go out and I can teach him what little I have learned. More cost effective to have a second digital body than developing film like I learned. My 10D isn't really holding me back - not having two cameras is holding the family back from sharing the hobby.

My question was for a second body. Why decide to upgrade your backup if you are comfortable with its performance? Someone had asked me in my original post why I wanted to upgrade and I really had to think about it. My question was simply meant to make you think it through before spending more on another camera. I won't make that mistake again.

I can completely understand wanting to make sure you have two great cameras on the trip (hope you have an awesome time) and I know the 10D has limitations in certain circumstances. I wish you luck in deciding as I understand trying to make decisions about buying more equipment. I have been considering buying for two years. It wasn't til my family showed interest that I really made the decision.
Have a great day.

Thanks d, it would seem our goals and drivers are very similar, and that we would answer your question about the same. The reason for my post was to seek advice, and as I outlined in my original post, I am happy to stay with the 10D IF that makes sense. But with a trip to Africa looming, it seemed like the right time to ask the question, is this the right camera to carry as a backup, and/or to start my daughter with in the world of DSLRs? My goal was to seek info from those who might have made a similar change in the past, and be able to speak intelligently about the differences.

Thank You