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Jan 23, 2010 01:33 |  #1

What are the pro's and con's you guys see in using one of these little softbox's over just socking a beauty dish?
Most standard beauty dishes are approximately the same size, have a natural round catchlight and can be used without the sock for a light quality the beauty reflector is famous for.... Basically you get two modifiers in one. I'm interested in this because some have suggested we manufacture our own like of small SB's to add to our product line, but I fail to see the point. Is it just because a small box is a little easier to carry? Wouldn't the ability to instantly change to a BD out weigh the little extra baggage?
I'm only referring to the small SB's that have become so popular lately. I understand the need for medium to large boxes for producing a large soft light source.
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Jan 23, 2010 09:24 |  #2

At work we used something like this for years with good results. We did have to carry a large light case to transport them properly. In a fixed studio this would be a moot point. I'll try to post links of what we used...


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Jan 23, 2010 09:33 |  #3

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …_16_White_Refle​ctor_.html (external link)
We added a piece of metal foil tape over the front of the glass diffuser dome and a sock over the front of the reflector. It sounds like something similar to what you're talking about.

It worked fine. The light was softened considerably. We did think of it as a small softbox. That's exactly what it did.


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Jan 23, 2010 09:57 |  #4

I have no doubt that your products are superior in quality. From the images the speedlight bracket seems very strong and something that could last for years. I think it comes down to price though...lets break it down:

(correct me if I'm wrong anywhere..)
22" beauty dish - $143
Single speedlight bracket - $136
22" diffusion sock - $16
TOTAL - $295 (+ shipping?)

ebay 24" softbox w/ speedlight bracket- $65 shipped? (depends on the deal you find on ebay)

Cheetah 24" Qbox w/ speedlight bracket - $99

(i dont own either of these softboxes, but have been looking into it more recently)

i would love to be able to own a kacey enterprises beauty dish, but for a hobbyist like me that doesn't make a living by shooting images, i just can't justify the price.


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Jan 23, 2010 10:51 |  #5

dinko wrote in post #9453861 (external link)
I have no doubt that your products are superior in quality. From the images the speedlight bracket seems very strong and something that could last for years. I think it comes down to price though...lets break it down:

(correct me if I'm wrong anywhere..)
22" beauty dish - $143
Single speedlight bracket - $136
22" diffusion sock - $16
TOTAL - $295 (+ shipping?)

ebay 24" softbox w/ speedlight bracket- $65 shipped? (depends on the deal you find on ebay)

Cheetah 24" Qbox w/ speedlight bracket - $99

(i dont own either of these softboxes, but have been looking into it more recently)

i would love to be able to own a kacey enterprises beauty dish, but for a hobbyist like me that doesn't make a living by shooting images, i just can't justify the price.

Lets not worry about price
There are budget dishes to match these budget boxes.
A Ezy Box (external link) is $359.95.... Much more than our package.

I'm only asking what makes you choose one of these small boxes over just socking a similar priced dish?
Are you going to drop another $99 for the Cheetah Dish after you buy the SB?


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Jan 23, 2010 11:24 |  #6

Why not worry about price? I don't have money to throw around...

How many people are willing to dish out $360 for a similar item they can find on ebay for $65? The Qbox has a couple better features than the ebay brand; priced at $100 and they're sold out. I can afford 3 Qboxes for the price of one EzyBox that is very similarly built! Price plays a huge role in people's decision to buy equipment. I'm sure the EzyBox is still selling well, but for how long?

I'm assured you have an awesome product that is well worth the money, but there are tons of threads of people making a quality beauty dish on their own for a mere $40 max. Sure it's not top notch quality, but a lot of people also take pride in DIY projects. How many people can make a DIY quality softbox?

If I had more experience in photography maybe I would "see the light" and realize why I should drop the dough on the higher-priced product. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm just giving you my opinion. I do agree with you in that:
+1 for the portability of the small softboxes
+1 for the versatility of the beauty dish


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Jan 23, 2010 11:37 as a reply to  @ dinko's post |  #7

You can buy a BD for the same price as you can buy one of these SB.
I'm not taking price into account because I said BD and SB of "SIMILAR" price. Price = Quality.
Why you started comparing our product line to $65 china ebay box I'm not sure. This is not about a specific product brand or price. I think maybe you confused what I was asking for opinions on....


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Jan 23, 2010 12:42 as a reply to  @ J Kacey's post |  #8

Hi Jerry,

I think I can perhaps shed some light on this topic and the question posed.

Assuming that someone is aware of the fact that a 22" dish with a sock can produce very nice soft light and a round catch light (if that's desired. some opt for a square catch light. I do at times.) and they're only looking at it from that standpoint then there is no reason to go with the softbox over the dish.

Depending on who you ask, the answer will vary. It can be related to price, size, weight, bulk and location and knowledge.

Like many things, some people will always make decisions based on price and if price is all they are looking at then the cost of a cheap ebay 24" softbox with bracket is almost always cheaper than an equivalently sized beauty dish. If the person is thinking that they may also want a grid then that can add to the cost. This is not always the case and with more and more items like this being imported from China, the cost differential is shifting.

Some people look at size/weight/bulk and like the fact that a collapsible softbox with the bracket will fit into a small bag or a compartment of their lighting kit bag and weighs very little compared to beauty dish. There are lighter dishes and now we're seeing dishes made of plastics so then the reason will turn to bulk. A 22" dish is 22" wide and about 10" deep and that can't change but a 24" softbox will collapse down to an 8" circle. The grid for a beauty dish is also not collapsible and the fabric grid for a softbox is collapsible.

Shooting location can also play a role. If you're working in a studio or your home then the dish makes perfect sense. If you're trekking into the woods then the softbox sounds more appealing because of the packed size and bulk. Many people also work without an assistant, as I do, and there are times when I want to keep things as compact and portable as possible. With a softbox I can have my entire kit in 2 shoulder bags with the exception of a light stand. If I take the dish I still need those 2 shoulder bags but now have an additional item to carry. That's not always convenient.

There are times that I've had to shoot at a location where I have to be as inconspicuous as possible and can't be seen with what appears to be a truckload of gear and again, those 2 shoulder bags lets me move quickly and go wherever I want without drawing attention to myself.

Lastly, there are photographers that are getting started with lighting and don't really understand concepts like quality of light or how we can manipulate, soften and control light. They hear the words beauty dish thrown around a lot but don't always think it's something they should have and are under the impression that the dish and a softbox are so completely different that they choose the softbox because the misconception is that the softbox produces soft(er) light and they like the way soft like looks, not realizing that they can also get very soft light from a dish with a diffusion sock or two.

Those are my observations and conclusions. :D


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Jan 23, 2010 12:59 |  #9

That response helps... Not sure of any dish 10" deep with the exception of a larger Mola.
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