Camera that incorporates AF of 7D w/ FF of 5D M2

Since this 7d's AF system is new and better than anything Canon has out there, do you think that Canon will have another modified version of the 1d, and 5d series incorporating it into those cameras? I have never seen the amount of AF choices the 7D has on any camera including the vaulted Nikon 300 series.

I know the price will increase however for the 5d mark 2 since it does not have that new predictive AF system and the FPS is so weak do you see this happening? If so I will buy the new incarnation if the price is around 3,000.

Yes, it will be called the 1Ds4. Canon protects the 1DS line by keeping the 5D a distinct portrait/landcape camera with slower less accurate focusing and low FPS. There isnt room in the product line for a full frame 7D even though it would be very popular. I dont think the new camera will meet your price point though.

I hope you are wrong. the 7D in most ways is superior to the 5d mark 2 with the exception of the full frame capabilities. Is that added as a modified version (it could be named a different brand), it should be very popular. The AF system that camera has is insane, I know people who purchased the 5D mark 2 are understandly upset about not having that AF features. The lack of FF deterred me from buying the 7D but I will wait until a version does.

james.bond wrote in post #9475708
I hope you are wrong. the 7D in most ways is superior to the 5d mark 2 with the exception of the full frame capabilities. Is that added as a modified version (it could be named a different brand), it should be very popular. The AF system that camera has is insane, I know people who purchased the 5D mark 2 are understandly upset about not having that AF features. The lack of FF deterred me from buying the 7D but I will wait until a version does.

If you are waiting for that, it will be a long wait. Although the 1Ds3's will drop in price when the 1Ds4 is released. That might satisfy you.

Canon said they couldn't fit the focusing system of the 40D/50D into the space of the 5D... so I would imagine the 7D's would also not "fit", unless the design of the 7D's is more compact or they make the 5D bigger. I doubt the latter will happen.

I think with the comming of the 7D canon has pretty much all of the market covered. Like stated above it would be a stupid move for canon to release a FF 7D because they need to protect their 1D line. I think the reason canon made the 7D was to put some of the higher end features into an APS sensor to make a "step" between the 50D and 1D that wasnt full frame because many people like the APS advantages and it is only a smart idea to fill that camera with the latest and best they have. If they didnt want to put the newest and more expensive AF tech and such into an APS camera they might as well just make a 60D.

james.bond wrote in post #9475582
Since this 7d's AF system is new and better than anything Canon has out there, do you think that Canon will have another modified version of the 1d, and 5d series incorporating it into those cameras? I have never seen the amount of AF choices the 7D has on any camera including the vaulted Nikon 300 series.

I know the price will increase however for the 5d mark 2 since it does not have that new predictive AF system and the FPS is so weak do you see this happening? If so I will buy the new incarnation if the price is around 3,000.

Well, the 7D's AF system is new, but it isn't better than anything Canon has out there. The AF system on the 1-series, and especially the new 1D IV is arguably better in many respects. But the 7D does eclipse all other AF systems outside of the 1-series.

That said, I think that the next rendition of the 5D will have a variation of the 7D's AF system. It has to in order to compete with Nikon's mid-priced full-frame offering.

Splatmaster527 wrote in post #9475992
Like stated above it would be a stupid move for canon to release a FF 7D because they need to protect their 1D line.

I disagree. True Canon would have defectors to the new Camera, BUT also would have brand new users who normally would not purchase a Full Frame camera due to its high cost. If the next generation FF camera is at a resonable price, it will benefit Canon more than to hurt them.

Tom W wrote in post #9476104
Well, the 7D's AF system is new, but it isn't better than anything Canon has out there. .

This may change your mind focus on the features of the AF, I have not seen that even with the 1D series. This is totally new and improved.

http://www.cameralabs.​com …EOS_7D/video_re​view.shtml

I still don't think so. A lot of folks here value FF because they understand what it means as well as it's capabilities and know how to use them. I could be wrong but I don't think these "traits" apply to the majority of amateurs, hobbyists and other users "out there." hence I don't feel they'd grab a larger market with one.

I agree that it's still worth more to Canon to protect the other line.

james.bond wrote in post #9476298
I disagree. True Canon would have defectors to the new Camera, BUT also would have brand new users who normally would not purchase a Full Frame camera due to its high cost. If the next generation FF camera is at a resonable price, it will benefit Canon more than to hurt them.

These are the new AF features that the 7D has and no other camera on the market has these, not Nikon and not the 1d and 1ds Canon. The AF on this camera is superior to even the 1d and 1ds though this year you will see new models for the 1d and 1ds, guaranteed. tell me if the 1d series has these features especially the spot AF selection mode? It does not.

Manual AF point selection mode
Spot AF point selection mode
AF point expansion mode
Automatic AF point selection mode
Zone AF mode

bohdank wrote in post #9475753
Canon said they couldn't fit the focusing system of the 40D/50D into the space of the 5D... so I would imagine the 7D's would also not "fit", unless the design of the 7D's is more compact or they make the 5D bigger. I doubt the latter will happen.

They also said there was no hue and cry for better AF going from the 5D to the 5D2, so they figured the 5D AF system was sufficient. I find both statements suspect, personally. I mean, come on. The AF sensor isn't that big. However much bigger the 40D/50D AF sensor is than the 5D's, even if fitting it in would require a body redesign it's not like the 5D2 would've been massive with it in. Both statements sound like weak justifications for a design decision that most everybody outside of Canon have a hard time accepting.

At this point in the game I've given up hoping that Canon will do this or that. It'd be really nice to see a 5D3/3D/whatever that features a 5D2-ish feature set (FF, low-to-medium frame rate, etc.) with 7D-level AF, but I no longer set myself up for disappointment by applying common sense to Canon's paranoid product segmentation.

Whats up with the blue font

Karl Johnston wrote in post #9505804
Whats up with the blue font

lol, agreed ^^ my eyes hurt.

james.bond wrote in post #9475708
I hope you are wrong. the 7D in most ways is superior to the 5d mark 2 with the exception of the full frame capabilities.

well, thats a bit unfair. 7D has a lot of gadgets and widgets and it does have really good AF but if IQ is what your after then there is really no comparison. AF is good but F16 level display thingy doesn't really impress me a whole lot. Also FF capabilities is quite a biggy in my opinion. I ll gladly trade the B2 stealth gadgets for the FF magic ^^

this is simple. If canon makes 5d MarkII perfect, what is the reason for people to buy 1dsIII? the best product normally comes with the top price. This is a simple concept of marketing class.I think Canon did good job to map their product line.