Nikon FX Vs Canon 1.3+FF

Mr. Clean wrote in post #9506335
Help me think things over and answer a few questions will ya? Let's keep it clean and can we please discuss rationally?
I'm thinking the grass is as green on the other side As green, not greener.
I figure if I sell everything MarkIII,5D2,35L,85 1.8,70-200 2.8,CPe4,Skyports, two 580EXII's, 540EZ
and buy
D700 X 2, SB800 X 2, MBD10 x 1, 85 1.4, 35f2, 28-70, 80-200AFS
Then I'll be about 400 bucks short or almost even depending on how I buy it and 4mm short on the wide end. Not too bad, leaves a good spot for the 14-24 later.

Plus I'm hearing different stories Canon to Nikon = good, Nikon to Canon = good...D700 outer points are good, D700 outer points are bad...Menu stinks, menu doesn't stink, gripped d700 good, gripped d700 not so good. The one constant is that Nikon's CLS is the real deal.

The 1.3 crop is a good compromise of everything too though, assuming working order. The MarkIV looks incredible - but way out of my price range unless I can get great used prices on the 5DII and Mark III. Again, back to one camera. Just not smart.

My D700 is faster, has a cleaner image with better high ISO to noise ratio control without turning on the high ISO NR filter. I never use it.
It's way better built and the button controls make changes on the fly easy.
The CLS is great. The only thing better about the 5DMKII IMO would be the ability to crop more, but my D700 has become my favorite go to camera.
Every time I switch back to the D700, I`ll rap off 3 to 5 shots before you know it. The Canon is just SOOOOooooooooooo SLow.
The D700 AF system is excellent and the 3D tracking really works great, even with the 51 points active. I have no problems missing a shot.
I rarely get OOF shots unless it's something I did to cause it.
My money would be on the D700

Bob_A wrote in post #9544112
The DX (1.5) crop mode is also on the D700 and it's a bit of a gimmick IMO. The resulting D3/D700 images are about 5.4 MP.

Bob_A wrote in post #9544325
Still, I don't see the advantage over cropping in post, but i wouldn't mind knowing.

statsman wrote in post #9544338
In the case of the DX (1.5) crop mode, the fps rate increases in addition to the smaller file sizes. But as was noted earlier, this yields 5.1 MP file sizes, a pretty small file.

look at it this way, did you or do you ever use the 5Dii's sRAW2? The file sizes are VERY close. But it also gives you reach. It's a plus and a minus because you're FORCED to crop in camera, but you do get smaller files which can be great at times. I use it for two things:

1. work studio shots, these all get emailed and they're always "macro". I use my 24-70 with a 12mm tube and use the crop mode and it's PERFECT with OOTC JPEGs for what they want
   
2. playing around with different FLs around the house with my son... This makes my 24mm a ~35mm and saves space on the card. When I had a 5Dii 75% of my shots around the house were sRAW2 because I don't print them over 8x10 and even that's rare. So the space saving was aweseome. Using it just for that can be great if you KNOW you don't need to print large EVER...
   

Ghee. Always "fun" to see how topics like "Nikon vs. Canon" and "Mac vs. PC" can get so heated...

No idea why that is? These things are just tools.
Never seen debates like this get so heated on hammers for instance

IMO, the big difference between Nikon and Canon is user interface. I've used both, and I prefer the button layout on the Canon. Mainly the front dial is in the wrong plcae for me on Nikons: I have to move my entire hand to turn it. Friend of mine feels exacly opposite: He has to move his entire hand to turn the dial on my Canon. That's fine: His hands are different then mine.

On the subject of noise and megapixels: For most uses and photographers, these will be insignificant.
If you are one of the people shooting in circumstances where these minor differences make a significant difference, I'd think that you know enough to make your own choice. Or, failing that, have enough sense to rent a camera of "the other brand" and give it a try for yourself.

Might well be that a D3 has less noise and more pixels then my 1D3 or a 1D4. I don't care, since the cost of switching (or buying a 1D4) is not reasonable for me at this time, when comparing it to the few times it might be beneficial. And switching (for me) certainly isn't worth it when I take the different UI into consideration.

Now, since we all want to help the OP and keep this thread from being locked, I strongly suggest that we take a deep breath, and maybe do a re-read before hitting the "Submit Reply" post. Remember, this is non-verbal communication, and things can be read different then they were meant.

Failing to do that, I will return, with a hammer, and nail this thread shut.

René Damkot wrote in post #9546107
Failing to do that, I will return, with a hammer, and nail this thread shut.

what kind of hammer you got?

Agree with you. This is a forum where users want to learn/share knowledge about Canon cameras. Question about comparison with other brand(s) should go to a different sub forum. I suggest creating a new sub forum under Equipment Talk.

sanjeedbd wrote in post #9543394
Comparisons are never ending arguments. We should allow Canon Digital Photography Forums remain focused on Canon Gears to facilitate learning and sharing about these great equipment.

There are many other forums wherein comparisons, examinations and cross-examinations can be made.

Over at Nikon Cafe there's a 'Other cameras and systems' forums. All the Canon stuff lives in there.

Seems to work.

Agree with you Guy...mods could you make this forum to happen soon ?.

radiohead wrote in post #9546295
Over at Nikon Cafe there's a 'Other cameras and systems' forums. All the Canon stuff lives in there.

Seems to work.

I'm all for that as well, but in the meantime, this is what we've got...
(the m43/ep-1 thread would also live there, but interestingly it's been fine in the G series board w/o anyone getting upset about it being a non canon product...)

what about lenses, would all the sigma and tammy and tokina threads get moved there as well?

Taking NikonCafe as an example again, lenses stay within a 'Lens Lust' forum (there's an EF50/1.4 vs Nikkor 50G thread ongoing there right now)...

but the forum here is labeled "Canon EF and EF-S Lenses"... The label on this section is "Canon EOS Digital Cameras" which is causing the problems here...

my only point here is what's the big deal really? This is the DSLR section, the thread title has nikon in it. You don't like nikon or can't talk nicely about them, why bother coming into the thread? Do we really need an entire new section just for threads like this? That's like saying we'd have to go to another room if we were all in public together if a few of us wanted to talk about nikons. Seems a bit silly to me.

Obviously this is up to the mods/admin/owner anyway, but it's just odd to me a nikon thread would cause this big a stir. My own nikon thread didn't in terms of people getting their feelings hurt just because it was in the canon DSLR section.

For the most part this thread has done what the OP wanted I think. The people here who know about nikons (through owning, using, or just knowledge) have come in and posted and been helpful. There are a few posts that aren't helpful going against nikon but those have also been edited now... But the people coming in simply saying nothing more than this is a canon board and asking why we're discussing nikon, what does that add to the discussion?

I would add that the people who've come in and complained are generally those who have never shot Nikon and therefore have little to add beyond a pointless complaint.

^ exactly. I'm making a thread in the forum talk section right now (I just came in to quote some of the pointless complaints).

Well, this thread has veered way off topic to a subject that should be in forum talk. Frankly,we're beating a dead horse here.

The topic is not whether this site should have a Nikon forum (it's not going to happen right now), but about assisting the OP in his decision. He should have enough information to make that call now, so this thread is done.