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Feb 03, 2010 12:13 |  #1

Okay. I'm an aspiring photographer. I have a Canon Rebel XSi with a Tamron Aspherical 28-80mm lens.
I'm not very knowledged in the photography field but simply know about apeture and shutter speed and how they work together; or I thought I did!!

I took some practice shots of my niece and applied little what I know so far.
I wanted naural lighting. It's overcast so I pulled up the blinds half way and let just mediocore light in, enough to be able to lay down (such as in the photo) and read in.

I thought, ok, I will set the camera to AF, an aperture of 5.6, f/125 ai servo, and iso at 100.
Well, look what happened. Boy oh boy.....just look at it!!! The invisible niece...

Help! and be honest.
I am hoping it's tooo low lighting because I will attach a second to show you what happened when I pulled up the blinds all the way.


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Feb 03, 2010 12:19 |  #2

This shot is way, way, way underexposed.You need a way higher ISO, a way wider open aperture and a way slower shutter speed. Just be sure you don't go to too slow of a shutter speed or you are going to get camer shake.


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Feb 03, 2010 12:22 |  #3

Ok.
I was thinking aperture open wide but not too wide and high shutter speed since it is a 5 year old who likes to wiggle...
why would I need even more wider aperture.....b/c there is not enough light?


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Feb 03, 2010 12:23 |  #4

What did the light meter show to let you think that was the proper setting?


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Feb 03, 2010 12:26 |  #5

Shooting RAW files will also be a great help in "saving" images if exposure or WB is off.
Shooting in full manual mode will give you more control with exposure and shutter speed then Av mode. Use P mode if you choke ;)


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Feb 03, 2010 12:28 |  #6

i think you may have -EC dialed in. without the EXIF intact, there's really no way for us to know.

ok, i just re-read your post --- were you in M mode? or AV? i just noticed that you said you put the camera in AF (i read AV the first time).




  
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Feb 03, 2010 12:29 |  #7

hairy moth, honestly, I'm not sure.

Blackhawk, it was RAW.

Here are two others with higher aperture and more light.


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Feb 03, 2010 12:35 |  #8

Can you clean up the Raws in DPP?

The images will be noisier if up can bump up the exposure/tone curve, but usable.


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Feb 03, 2010 12:37 |  #9

peppermintsky wrote in post #9533125 (external link)
Ok.
I was thinking aperture open wide but not too wide and high shutter speed since it is a 5 year old who likes to wiggle...
why would I need even more wider aperture.....b/c there is not enough light?

Yes. Shooting indoors you almost always locked into shooting "wide open". If the 5 year old wiggles you need to decide whether to go to a slower shutter speed and not stop action or go to flash. Thereis no alternative.

blackhawk wrote in post #9533150 (external link)
Shooting RAW files will also be a great help in "saving" images if exposure or WB is off.
Shooting in full manual mode will give you more control with exposure and shutter speed then Av mode. Use P mode if you choke ;)

Not when it is this seriously underexposed.

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i think you may have -EC dialed in. without the EXIF intact, there's really no way for us to know.

ok, i just re-read your post --- were you in M mode? or AV? i just noticed that you said you put the camera in AF (i read AV the first time).

i read that she set the shutter speed plus f-stop therefor manual mode. You can' use EC in manual.


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Feb 03, 2010 12:38 as a reply to  @ matonanjin's post |  #10

Just guessing how much light was it the room you should probably start with a ISO 800 1/30 shutter I'm assuming your locked at the f stop


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Feb 03, 2010 12:38 |  #11

matonanjin wrote in post #9533218 (external link)
Not when it is this seriously underexposed.



dah... she can try though, not much else to do...


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Feb 03, 2010 12:41 |  #12

matonanjin,

Correct, I did use Manual mode. I do not want to use flash. Why can I not use a high shutter speed in this scenerio?

What I dont understand why I need to have such a wide aperture if lighting is sufficient?

Is lighting just not sufficient unless it shines like the sun??

OK, so I'm going outside. I am going to take all this advice and see what I come up with. I will post in a few hours.


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Feb 03, 2010 12:41 |  #13

Ok, how's the composition atleast?.....

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Feb 03, 2010 12:45 |  #14

peppermintsky wrote in post #9533250 (external link)
matonanjin,

Correct, I did use Manual mode. I do not want to use flash. Why can I not use a high shutter speed in this scenerio?

What I dont understand why I need to have such a wide aperture if lighting is sufficient?

Is lighting just not sufficient unless it shines like the sun??

OK, so I'm going outside. I am going to take all this advice and see what I come up with. I will post in a few hours.

The human eye/brain has a very high level of light level adaptability (dynamic range) that the camera lacks; lower light levels aren't as apparent to your eye because your eyes have a much higher dynamic range than any cam.


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Feb 03, 2010 12:47 |  #15

peppermintsky wrote in post #9533250 (external link)
matonanjin,Is lighting just not sufficient unless it shines like the sun??

Their are three adjustments when it comes to available light
Aperture , Shutter , ISO

If you want a f stop and certain shutter you have to change the ISO

This mix and match is what photography is all about.


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