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Mr. Clean wrote in post #10829686
Yeah I figured as much. Damn. Man I was fighting the 24 last night.The girl moves just quick enough, the DOF is thin enough and the lens focuses slow enough that it appeared to be back focusing.

Dare I say, I think I miss the APS-H sensor size. Not crop, not full frame, just right. The 16-35/50/70-200 combo was perfect too.

True. I've never had any issues with the 1.3x Crop. The 24-70L was still fine.

The same guy I bought the 24 1.4 from is now going to get the AF-S 85 1.4 tomorrow evening. He tests stuff for Nikon/NPS and puts reviews up on his website. Looks like that's all he does really so he usually ends up either returning the lens to the dealer or sells it if he's had it for longer than the return period.

Well...looks like I may have the inside track to one. Since he's got no interest in keeping any of these lenses, he said once he's done testing the lens for his review, he'll sell it to me for the retail price.

He'll let me decide if I like what I see based on his reviews and make a purchasing decision. Nice!

Plus, don't have to pay any taxes!

Will update this situation of course!

nice! Would love to see pics and get your opinion!
Hahahah, and here I thought we killed this thread with our APS-H love...

hahaha Good evening guys APS-H is sooo expensive.

Some more samples by someone who bought the lens.

Link

Don't know guys. Looking at the full size images, I see lots and lots of CA. Does the 85L have that much CA? I know it has some and I know it's just a fact of life for these lenses.

Is the Canon 1D series the only camera using that size sensor? I can't help wondering how that came about. Come to that, why Canon's cropped sensor is slightly smaller than Nikon's.

peterbj7 wrote in post #10832855
Is the Canon 1D series the only camera using that size sensor? I can't help wondering how that came about. Come to that, why Canon's cropped sensor is slightly smaller than Nikon's.

yeap only the 1D series are suing APS-H sensors... and yes canon's crop sensor is smaller than Nikon coz well uhhmm maybe so it would be cheaper

I've just been playing with the D700 and metering, as it's a bit different from the Canon. All using matrix metering, in aperture priority mode.

With a white shirt filling the frame I need EC+1. With a black shirt filling the frame I need EC-3. With a white shirt with a black pattern I need EC+1 or close to it. A pink patterned shirt needs almost the same as white, EC+1 or slightly less.

With the frame half white shirt, half black shirt I need EC0, or maybe -2/3. Too close to call. If the black shirt takes 2/3 of the frame and the white 1/3 then I need the same EC, -2/3 or so. If the white shirt fills 2/3 the frame and the black 2/3 I need the same EC as if the black shirt wasn't there, +1.

I guess I need a conclusion or a general rule to go by. It seems that in general it exposes for the highlights, and you need 0-1 EC is there's anything white in the frame. Since most brides wear white, and that's what I shoot, that's pretty much what i'll need.

Next I need to work out how this interacts with flash, also keeping in mind EC and FEC both affect flash exposure, even in manual mode. I also need to look at what happens when the couple don't fill the frame.

Of course I work in manual a lot, so this is really just for interest.

tim wrote in post #10833047
I've just been playing with the D700 and metering, as it's a bit different from the Canon.

With a white shirt filling the frame I need EC+1. With a black shirt filling the frame I need EC-3. With a white shirt with a black pattern I need EC+1 or close to it. A pink patterned shirt needs almost the same as white, EC+1 or slightly less.

With the frame half white shirt, half black shirt I need EC0, or maybe -2/3. Too close to call. If the black shirt takes 2/3 of the frame and the white 1/3 then I need the same EC, -2/3 or so. If the white shirt fills 2/3 the frame and the black 2/3 I need the same EC as if the black shirt wasn't there, +1.

I guess I need a conclusion or a general rule to go by. It seems that in general it exposes for the highlights, and you need 0-1 EC is there's anything white in the frame. Since most brides wear white, and that's what I shoot, that's pretty much what i'll need.

Next I need to work out how this interacts with flash, also keeping in mind EC and FEC both affect flash exposure, even in manual mode. I also need to look at what happens when the couple don't fill the frame.

Of course I work in manual a lot, so this is really just for interest.

Tim you talking about using AV/TV? and am I correct that you usually use partial metering and not spot?

This is using Av, and matrix metering. I'll go add that to the top. I tried partial, it was very similar, about 1/3 of a stop different on average.

tim wrote in post #10833112
This is using Av, and matrix metering. I'll go add that to the top. I tried partial, it was very similar, about 1/3 of a stop different on average.

too bad, you can't adjust EC on auto ISO... any idea why is that?

I love to use Auto ISO more than AV or TV...

I just recently began relying on histogram for looking if my shots are correctly exposed.and I think you said you don't want the histogram to hit either side.. middle is better for most shots unless you have a brighter area than your subject. so I kept that in mind.

Exposure compensation does apply to auto iso, I just tried it.

I think you misread or misunderstood me regarding the histogram, there are times you want it to touch both ends, one end, neither end, or go right off the scale. I can't explain it fully, so have a read of this.

tim wrote in post #10833225
Exposure compensation does apply to auto iso, I just tried it.

I think you misread or misunderstood me regarding the histogram, there are times you want it to touch both ends, one end, neither end, or go right off the scale. I can't explain it fully, so have a read of this.

really? haha good to know. I can't really remember adjusting EC very much on Auto ISO. but I think I have done it... I just remember Nicksan saying EC can not be changed with Auto ISO.

I am slowly learning about the Histogram, I am now always looking at it and analyzing a photo. thanks for the link

nicksan wrote in post #10832847
Some more samples by someone who bought the lens.

Link

Don't know guys. Looking at the full size images, I see lots and lots of CA. Does the 85L have that much CA? I know it has some and I know it's just a fact of life for these lenses.

You could have told me those are from the D version and I woulda believed you. In those situations I don't see how you could compare the two and if anyone told me different, I'd call 'em a liar

tim wrote in post #10833047
I've just been playing with the D700 and metering, as it's a bit different from the Canon. All using matrix metering, in aperture priority mode.

With a white shirt filling the frame I need EC+1. With a black shirt filling the frame I need EC-3. With a white shirt with a black pattern I need EC+1 or close to it. A pink patterned shirt needs almost the same as white, EC+1 or slightly less.

With the frame half white shirt, half black shirt I need EC0, or maybe -2/3. Too close to call. If the black shirt takes 2/3 of the frame and the white 1/3 then I need the same EC, -2/3 or so. If the white shirt fills 2/3 the frame and the black 2/3 I need the same EC as if the black shirt wasn't there, +1.

I guess I need a conclusion or a general rule to go by. It seems that in general it exposes for the highlights, and you need 0-1 EC is there's anything white in the frame. Since most brides wear white, and that's what I shoot, that's pretty much what i'll need.

Next I need to work out how this interacts with flash, also keeping in mind EC and FEC both affect flash exposure, even in manual mode. I also need to look at what happens when the couple don't fill the frame.

Of course I work in manual a lot, so this is really just for interest.

Good to get to know your gear for sure!

Monkey, auto-ISO is like auto metering, the camera will try to expose for grey. You can dial in EC but I'm not sure I'd trust it.

DAMN I miss the old lens line up!

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