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Feb 11, 2010 06:40 |  #61

Permagrin wrote in post #9585961 (external link)
Mike, check out pg 6 of this pdf

http://www.nikonusa.co​m …o_WirelessSpeed​lights.pdf (external link)

it explains how to shut off the popup in commander mode

Thanks for that link - we switched to Nikon just over a year ago, and I'm always forgetting how to set up Master/Slave functions on our SB-800's and 600! ...this will be a handy thing to keep in the bag for when I forget (yet again).

So far as the onboard goes, our experience is that even when shut off, it never completely disappears from the shot - not a major issue, but if you've got reflective surface in front of you it's easy to see the onboard lit up a bit.

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Feb 11, 2010 08:51 as a reply to  @ RobKirkwood's post |  #62

Mr. Clean wrote in post #9585281 (external link)
had I known, I would have bought yours (24-70)...I'm a zoom guy, but not a UWA zoom guy :D Got a used 18-35 of a FM'er today.

let me know how that 18-35mm is.
I have a 28-75 arriving tomorrow now, so we'll see on the 24-70G. Odds are it'll be listed tomorrow.
that 85mm is a hell of a lens isn't it? My original move to nikon kit was that lens and a siggy 12-24mm. I'm not a long prime guy, but it was worth a shot. I'll eventually own either it or it's replacement eventually I bet...

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I thought for sure you'd buy the 24 1.4 first! I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on the 16-35, though I cannot imagine ever getting rid of my 14-24.

The 14-24mm is just so damn big and expensive. I'm hoping the 16-35mm does what I need, but we'll see. If not I'll return it and rebuy a used 14-24mm. :lol: I would have bought the 24mm first, or at least at the same time, had it been priced more reasonably. I was prepared for $1700 for it and $1000 for the 16-35mm. Now I'm left looking for the $700 difference. So either the price will drop, or I'll find the funds. But as soon as my camera budget matches it's price I'll have one. It's not if, it's when. ;)

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Yeah. I'll eventually build up the kit. What won me over was the 16-35 f/4 VR. Alot of my shooting is landscapes. And while the 14-24 is an excellent lens, it just doesn't take filters (GNDs). So, with that in mind, I don't have to build a DIY filter holder. :) Now if I can just find a D3s in stock! :)

you should have bought my 14-24mm, I sold it with my adapter for GNDs!!!!
http://gear.benjacobse​nphoto.com …kkor-14-24mm/bbj_0975.jpg (external link)
http://gear.benjacobse​nphoto.com …kkor-14-24mm/bbj_0978.jpg (external link)
http://gear.benjacobse​nphoto.com …kkor-14-24mm/img_2214.jpg (external link)

but I will say, even with that setup, it got old. I'm hoping I'll love the 16-35mm as much as I did my 17-40s. I'm also hoping it means I can get into 4x6 filters instead of X-pros. There is no easy 10-stop answer for the 14-24mm because it needs to be a panel and cokin hasn't made their for years. Supposedly format will custom make them though.

I just hope I don't miss f/2.8 for inside with my son (the few times I did do this it was always sunny with light coming in through the windows anyway). I hope it's got it's barrel distortion under control (the 14-24mm needed correction for any shot with a straight line making it ~15.5 effectively if you needed it straight) as well. 14 -vs- 16 is a big difference, I know (having been a long time 12-24mm siggy fan) but I think I can live at 16mm.

I'm excited for them to get in stock though so I can know....


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Feb 11, 2010 10:12 |  #63

jdizzle wrote in post #9586974 (external link)
Looks like I'm finally going to give Nikon a shot. Starting with the D3s and 16-35 f/4 VR. :D

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Feb 11, 2010 10:16 |  #64

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Not a bad starter kit ;)

I'm giving the new 24mm a lot of thought but not at the opening price of £1949. It'll come down to around £1700 or so within 3-4 months like the 70-200 VRII (which is amazing btw).

There's some concerns about the hood allowing flare...One of the guys on the Cafe is having issues. JonathanF2 or something like that. most of my shots aren't looking for a good edge ot edge sharpness and I like 200mm when focusing close so I figured the VRI would be a good place to start.

radiohead wrote in post #9586951 (external link)
That 85/1.4 really is a lovely lens. Rumoured to be a new 35 and 85 1.4 this year and with the new 24 I can believe it. From Xmas:

<snipped image>

D3, 85/1.4, f2, ISO1600, 1/320s, no flash.

You know, as much as I think I'd love to have the 35mm 1.4 I'm remarkably surprised with the 35mm f2! It's great wide open, small, quick to AF. The only thing I haven't test is what the OOF highlights look like.
Side note, your Xmas picture is the one that pushed me for the 85mm 1.4.

jacobsen1 wrote in post #9588049 (external link)
let me know how that 18-35mm is.
I have a 28-75 arriving tomorrow now, so we'll see on the 24-70G. Odds are it'll be listed tomorrow.
that 85mm is a hell of a lens isn't it? My original move to nikon kit was that lens and a siggy 12-24mm. I'm not a long prime guy, but it was worth a shot. I'll eventually own either it or it's replacement eventually I bet...

I will! So far the reviews are positive but I sniff some brand loyalty in them. Plus I don't shoot past 24 too often but it's a nice lens to have just in case.
I think the 85mm 1.4 is perfect. Not as good as the 85mm 1.2 but way better than the 85mm 1.8 and the price point is perfect! I just need a lens cap that will work with the lens hood on!
Thanks for everyone's talk and advice and what not. So far I'm really enjoying the move and have no issues whatsoever...Well, except for Nikon being bassackwards and the frickin' multicontroller kinda suckin' :D


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Feb 11, 2010 11:07 |  #65

jacobsen1 wrote in post #9588049 (external link)
you should have bought my 14-24mm, I sold it with my adapter for GNDs!!!!
http://gear.benjacobse​nphoto.com …kkor-14-24mm/bbj_0975.jpg (external link)
http://gear.benjacobse​nphoto.com …kkor-14-24mm/bbj_0978.jpg (external link)
http://gear.benjacobse​nphoto.com …kkor-14-24mm/img_2214.jpg (external link)

but I will say, even with that setup, it got old. I'm hoping I'll love the 16-35mm as much as I did my 17-40s. I'm also hoping it means I can get into 4x6 filters instead of X-pros. There is no easy 10-stop answer for the 14-24mm because it needs to be a panel and cokin hasn't made their for years. Supposedly format will custom make them though.

Ben, how did you figure out what to use for GND's for the 14-24. I can see they are cokin's but that's as far as I can make out. This system would be useful to me, if I knew what to buy.


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Feb 11, 2010 11:52 |  #66

HOLY CRAP.
The CLS rules the world! Just playing around with it and man that is SO much better than Skyports for what I would use them for. Quick and easy. True wireless flash freedom. No wires, pc cords, dangly thingies. Awesome.
Hey Permie - did you get a chance to look and see what kind of cap/size you have on the 85? My non center pinch would never fit with the hood on.


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Feb 11, 2010 11:55 as a reply to  @ Mr. Clean's post |  #67

sorry Mike, yep, I forgot to post it.

This is the one we have on it, with the lens on.
http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …7mm_Snap_On_Len​s_Cap.html (external link)


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Feb 11, 2010 12:06 |  #68

Right on thanks! I'll have to snatch one up, not have the hood on that lens is driving me nuts.


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Feb 11, 2010 12:10 as a reply to  @ Permagrin's post |  #69

Mr. Clean wrote in post #9588531 (external link)
I just need a lens cap that will work with the lens hood on!
Thanks for everyone's talk and advice and what not. So far I'm really enjoying the move and have no issues whatsoever...Well, except for Nikon being bassackwards and the frickin' multicontroller kinda suckin' :D

the 85mm's hood actually fits INSIDE the hood too dude. It's a tad tight, but it works. And that hood is EPIC. Solid metal FTW. As for nikon being bassackwards, do you have specific complaints, because you know you can reverse the way the displays go for +/- right? But you can't get it exactly like a canon, one thing MUST stay wrong at all times, but you can get your display and EV adjustments right....

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Ben, how did you figure out what to use for GND's for the 14-24. I can see they are cokin's but that's as far as I can make out. This system would be useful to me, if I knew what to buy.

X-pro filters
for the 14-24mm it's a 105mm adapter ring, a spare lenscap, and some time.

Also, NEVER let ANYONE tell you filters won't work with a lens. It's just a question of not having big enough filters. I was told ~4 years ago now by a B&H employee IN PERSON that filters wouldn't work on the 12-24mm. I owned it. I owned a 5D. I'd made paper filters and checked. I'd made plexi filters and checked.

B&H: "no, it won't work."
me: "have you tried it?"
B&H: "no, because it won't work..."

that was IN THE STORE (but on a Sunday, big mistake). I was trying to get them to get the parts out so I could prove it myself. I broke down the next week and ordered it anyway and sure enough Xs work. It's getting the holder to work that's the trick. With the 12-24mm a spare cowl presses right into a 95mm ring, you just have to remove the lip that keeps it from going on too far. With the Nikkor it's a 105mm ring and a lot more dremel work (you have to make a spare lenscap into a sleeve by removing the end, then make the cap fit inside the ring) but again, works perfect out to 14mm on FF w/o any vignetting. You can't use a CP, but you CAN use GNDs.

I have a 7-14mm on the way for my GF1. It's the same deal. Everyone **** about not being able to use filters with it. I know I'll have it licked in a day or so. The only question is what's the OD of the hood (which ring do I need), where do I get a spare lenscap (or I'll use rubber bands as I did with my 12-24mm) and I wonder if I can actually downsize there since it's suck a smaller lens. But I want a CP to work there, I'm guessing my x-pro CP will work, but a Z might not (because CPs are round they need to be MASSIVE). I might forgo the CP on that lens though since I can have my 77 back once I get the 16-35mm.


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Feb 11, 2010 12:20 as a reply to  @ jacobsen1's post |  #70

wow, that seems beyond me. I wish I'd seen yours FS.


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Feb 11, 2010 12:20 |  #71

You mean the cap? I have an old outer pinch cap and it can't physically fit inside the hood and latch on properly unless I'm doing something wrong. I'll go try again! I do love the hood, that's how it should be on lenses like that!!
Hahah, the Lens mounts! I'm going to change the EV adjustments today.
Plus, is there a better 'meter' view? The 5d/1d meters seemed so much bigger/better...

jacobsen1 wrote in post #9589342 (external link)
the 85mm's hood actually fits INSIDE the hood too dude. It's a tad tight, but it works. And that hood is EPIC. Solid metal FTW. As for nikon being bassackwards, do you have specific complaints, because you know you can reverse the way the displays go for +/- right? But you can't get it exactly like a canon, one thing MUST stay wrong at all times, but you can get your display and EV adjustments right....


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Feb 11, 2010 12:30 |  #72

jacobsen1 wrote in post #9588049 (external link)
you should have bought my 14-24mm, I sold it with my adapter for GNDs!!!!
http://gear.benjacobse​nphoto.com …kkor-14-24mm/bbj_0975.jpg (external link)
http://gear.benjacobse​nphoto.com …kkor-14-24mm/bbj_0978.jpg (external link)
http://gear.benjacobse​nphoto.com …kkor-14-24mm/img_2214.jpg (external link)

but I will say, even with that setup, it got old. I'm hoping I'll love the 16-35mm as much as I did my 17-40s. I'm also hoping it means I can get into 4x6 filters instead of X-pros. There is no easy 10-stop answer for the 14-24mm because it needs to be a panel and cokin hasn't made their for years. Supposedly format will custom make them though.

I just hope I don't miss f/2.8 for inside with my son (the few times I did do this it was always sunny with light coming in through the windows anyway). I hope it's got it's barrel distortion under control (the 14-24mm needed correction for any shot with a straight line making it ~15.5 effectively if you needed it straight) as well. 14 -vs- 16 is a big difference, I know (having been a long time 12-24mm siggy fan) but I think I can live at 16mm.

I'm excited for them to get in stock though so I can know....

That set up looks cool Jacob. I didn't know I was going to try Nikon until I finally made up my mind. :) So, what filters did you use on the Cokin holder? Will 4x6 filters work? And will it vignette? Thanks! :)




  
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Feb 11, 2010 12:33 |  #73

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Muahahahah we have won! :D

ROFL!! :lol: You got me thinking James. Maybe I should start as a sith apprentice and get a D700. Then work my way up to a sith lord (D3s/D3x). ;) :)




  
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Feb 11, 2010 12:35 |  #74

jacobsen1 wrote in post #9589342 (external link)
X-pro filters
for the 14-24mm it's a 105mm adapter ring, a spare lenscap, and some time.

Also, NEVER let ANYONE tell you filters won't work with a lens. It's just a question of not having big enough filters. I was told ~4 years ago now by a B&H employee IN PERSON that filters wouldn't work on the 12-24mm. I owned it. I owned a 5D. I'd made paper filters and checked. I'd made plexi filters and checked.

B&H: "no, it won't work."
me: "have you tried it?"
B&H: "no, because it won't work..."

that was IN THE STORE (but on a Sunday, big mistake). I was trying to get them to get the parts out so I could prove it myself. I broke down the next week and ordered it anyway and sure enough Xs work. It's getting the holder to work that's the trick. With the 12-24mm a spare cowl presses right into a 95mm ring, you just have to remove the lip that keeps it from going on too far. With the Nikkor it's a 105mm ring and a lot more dremel work (you have to make a spare lenscap into a sleeve by removing the end, then make the cap fit inside the ring) but again, works perfect out to 14mm on FF w/o any vignetting. You can't use a CP, but you CAN use GNDs.

I have a 7-14mm on the way for my GF1. It's the same deal. Everyone **** about not being able to use filters with it. I know I'll have it licked in a day or so. The only question is what's the OD of the hood (which ring do I need), where do I get a spare lenscap (or I'll use rubber bands as I did with my 12-24mm) and I wonder if I can actually downsize there since it's suck a smaller lens. But I want a CP to work there, I'm guessing my x-pro CP will work, but a Z might not (because CPs are round they need to be MASSIVE). I might forgo the CP on that lens though since I can have my 77 back once I get the 16-35mm.

You answered my question here regarding vignetting. Thanks! :)




  
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Feb 11, 2010 12:38 |  #75

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ROFL!! :lol: You got me thinking James. Maybe I should start as a sith apprentice and get a D700. Then work my way up to a sith lord (D3s/D3x). ;) :)

Honestly, you're used to the 1Ds III. I'd just go for the D3s or a second hand D3 - the controls will make more sense to you. There are really only minor differences between the D700 and D3, but they're significant enough that I get confused for a few minutes if I pick up a D700/D300. The thing that'll trip you up the most is the zoom rings though! :lol:

If you're not sure you'll be sticking with it maybe picking up a used D3 for around $3000 would make more sense than a brand spankin' new D3s, because if you decide it isn't for you you can recoup more of your initial expenses.




  
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