Canon 5D Mark III Rumors

momentz wrote in post #13910637
Canon are selling the 5 range to professionals. That is their market. Joe Enthusiast complaining about having to deal with larger files can go suck it for all Canon cares. They make up a fraction of the intended market.

Disagree. 'Joe Enthusiast' types are actually going to be a very large portion of Canon's market. The professionals have always been there and have never stopped shooting. The reason why most photographic companies were nearly out of business in the 1990's is because the hobbyists and enthusiasts were all busy playing on computers instead. The advent of modern DSLRs is what got those people away from their computers and back in front of cameras again, and business boomed. The pros were always there before, and they're still there now, with the difference being enthusiast and hobbyist shooters. What was I doing in the 1990's? Playing on computers! I should have, but I never bothered to invest in any film SLR gear back then because I knew everything was going to go digital and didn't want to drop a ton of money on film gear that was just going to become worthless. Joe Enthusiast and Joe 'Part-time/weekend pro' make up a sizable chunk of the photographic market.

Including myself, I know 4 people with 5D Mark II's. Not a single one of us are full-time pros earning 100% of our living through photography. One does have a decent side photography business but it's hardly enough to make a living on. Another just does some stuff on the side to help fund gear. I'd like to do more professional work, but the only reason I don't is because I'm too busy with family and work. I actually have to turn down photography related work. The last just uses his for family photos, which is pretty much what I do. So it's hardly a professional only camera. If that's what Canon thinks it is then they don't understand who their customers are.

Problems with larger files? That's what sRAW and mRAW are for. Use pixel binning technology and you'll even get an ISO boost.

That way, those of us who need resolution can have it, and you can have your small files too.

Me? Hard drive space is cheap, and so are computers which can manipulate large files.

S P wrote in post #13911255
Disagree. 'Joe Enthusiast' types are actually going to be a very large portion of Canon's market. The professionals have always been there and have never stopped shooting. The reason why most photographic companies were nearly out of business in the 1990's is because the hobbyists and enthusiasts were all busy playing on computers instead. The advent of modern DSLRs is what got those people away from their computers and back in front of cameras again, and business boomed. The pros were always there before, and they're still there now, with the difference being enthusiast and hobbyist shooters. What was I doing in the 1990's? Playing on computers! I should have, but I never bothered to invest in any film SLR gear back then because I knew everything was going to go digital and didn't want to drop a ton of money on film gear that was just going to become worthless. Joe Enthusiast and Joe 'Part-time/weekend pro' make up a sizable chunk of the photographic market.

Including myself, I know 4 people with 5D Mark II's. Not a single one of us are full-time pros earning 100% of our living through photography. One does have a decent side photography business but it's hardly enough to make a living on. Another just does some stuff on the side to help fund gear. I'd like to do more professional work, but the only reason I don't is because I'm too busy with family and work. I actually have to turn down photography related work. The last just uses his for family photos, which is pretty much what I do. So it's hardly a professional only camera. If that's what Canon thinks it is then they don't understand who their customers are.

What you mention may be true of the 1990s. 20 years ago. Not today. Although attributing the demise of camera companies to users deciding to play with a pc instead of a camera is somewhat open to debate!

For every 'prosumer' like yourself and the people you know (and most posters in the potn community for that matter), there's 5 more actual Pro photographers who have never heard of let alone post on POTN, and instead are out there taking and selling photos with their 5DII's and 1D's.

Complaining about the manageability of a large file is like complaining about the lack of rubber feet on a cisco switch. If you're complaining about it you're not the target market.

Shadowblade wrote in post #13911285
Problems with larger files? That's what sRAW and mRAW are for. Use pixel binning technology and you'll even get an ISO boost.

That way, those of us who need resolution can have it, and you can have your small files too.

Me? Hard drive space is cheap, and so are computers which can manipulate large files.

Its a pity there's no mRAW option on the D800. There's lower res JPEG options but nothing for RAW.

^^^
I agree

It should be doable in firmware.

Of course, just hope Nikon implement it, as a while ago there was rumour of a 'high ISO mode' giving you 9mp.

If Nikon don't, maybe Magic Lantern will.

Very, very, clever, lol:

http://forums.dpreview​.com …rum=1032&messag​e=40642634

Dunno how accurate it is, but I concur and have been stating that it won't be 22mp. =p

The image is interesting, but I doubt totally accurate. I would not want more MP, but speed and buttons more like the 7D so I can do video with one button. Other than that, won't be upgrading until I feel my wonderful 5D2 is not for me anymore.

woos wrote in post #13913413
Very, very, clever, lol:

http://forums.dpreview​.com …rum=1032&messag​e=40642634

Dunno how accurate it is, but I concur and have been stating that it won't be 22mp. =p

That is very cleaver and well observed. I'm wondering if it's true about two rumours saying that the 5D will be split into two cameras. A 5DIII (ie high MP using the old formula...4fps) and a 5DX using the specs that we've recently heard (22mp and 7fps). Or it could be that the 5DIII is still using the old formula and the 5DX is infact a 7D replacement....with or without a full frame chip....who knows?

woos wrote in post #13913413
Very, very, clever, lol:

http://forums.dpreview​.com …rum=1032&messag​e=40642634

Dunno how accurate it is, but I concur and have been stating that it won't be 22mp. =p

Megapixels is just one thing the D800 has going for it. There's also the small matter of 51 AF points, f/8 AF capability, full weather sealing and dual card slots. Essentially, it's a 1Ds-type camera at a 5D price point.

If Canon want to compete, they need more than just megapixels, although that is a start.

Shadowblade wrote in post #13913740
Megapixels is just one thing the D800 has going for it. There's also the small matter of 51 AF points, f/8 AF capability, full weather sealing and dual card slots. Essentially, it's a 1Ds-type camera at a 5D price point.

If Canon want to compete, they need more than just megapixels, although that is a start.

This!

Yeah Canon really needs to turn the 5D III into a "1DX eater" if they want to compete with Nikon.

Would love to be a fly on the wall in the Canon HQ executive meeting room. Nikon has really put them in a tough spot. Not going to jump ship however, after 50 years with Canon gear I have faith they will come through with what we want.

Ricku wrote in post #13913905
This!

Yeah Canon really needs to turn the 5D III into a "1DX eater" if they want to compete with Nikon.

40mp, 4k video, Raw video, 1080 @60fps and a 19pt AF and they'll sell twice as many cameras as the d800. I don't know why everyone is trying to turn the 5 series into something it isn't. It's obviously for weddings, portraits, landscapes, and especially video. I expect the biggest improvement in the video specs. They OWN the dslr video market..and know that's what made the 5d2 successful.

They can sell a million without coming close to the 1Dx specs.