Canon 5D Mark III Rumors

Ricku wrote in post #13918999
With the D800, Nikon has clearly taken their gloves off and replaced them with knuckle dusters.

The question is if Canon will continue to "fight" with heavily padded gloves?

I was thinking more they loaded their gloves up with shot

After all, Nikon's still playing the same game, They're just playing dirtier

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #13919778
Really? I had no idea there were complaints about the 1DIV AF. I mean, I've heard that one of the 1DX's big improvements was low light AF, but since I haven't been paying much attention to the 1DIV I didn't know it was that much of a deficiency. And is it just AI Servo or single AF also?

Is the 1DIV AF a step back from the 5DII AF at the center point in low light focusing? Would be a head-scratcher if so.

Issue was/is with AI servo and low-light. It's well chronicled by Teamspeed. You should be able to find the thread with the search function.

EL_PIC wrote in post #13918945
...Rank Change Camera Description Price

1 [2] +2 Nikon D7000 16.2MP DX-Format CMOS with 3.0-Inch LCD (Body Only) $1,196.95
2 [5] +2 Nikon D5100 16.2MP CMOS with 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S DX VR Nikkor Zoom Lens N/A
3 [12] +2 Nikon D3100 14.2MP with 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S DX VR Nikkor Zoom Lens N/A
4 [14] +2 Canon EOS Rebel T3 12.2 MP CMOS with 18-55mm IS II Lens and EOS HD Movie Mode (Black) $424.90
5 [16] -4 Canon EOS Rebel T2i 18 MP CMOS APS-C with 3.0-Inch LCD and EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens $539.00
6 [19] -4 Canon EOS Rebel T3i 18 MP CMOS and DIGIC 4 Imaging with EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens $669.00
7 [25] +1 Canon EOS Rebel T3i 18 MP CMOS and DIGIC 4 Imaging (Body Only) $669.00
8 [31] -1 Canon EOS Rebel T2i 18 MP CMOS APS-C with 3.0-Inch LCD (Body Only) $539.00
9 [32] = Canon EOS 60D 18 MP CMOS with 3.0-Inch LCD (Body Only) $824.00
10 [67] Sony NEX-5N 16.1 MP Compact Interchangeable Lens Touchscreen Camera with 18-55mm Lens (Black) $479.95
11 [71] Canon EOS Rebel T2i 18 MP CMOS APS-C with EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS II Zoom Lens & EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6... $539.00
12 [75] Canon EOS Rebel T1i 15.1 MP CMOS with 3-Inch LCD and EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens $399.95
13 [79] -2 Canon EOS 60D 18 MP CMOS with 3.0-Inch LCD and 18-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS UD Standard Zoom Lens $824.00
14 [81] Canon EOS Rebel T3 12.2 MP CMOS with 18-55mm IS II Lens + Canon EF 75-300mm f/4-5.6 III Telephoto Zoom Lens $424.90
15 [85] -2 Canon EOS Rebel T3i 18 MP CMOS and DIGIC 4 Imaging with EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens + Canon EF 75-30... $669.00
16 [94] Nikon Starter Case - Gadget Bag for D7000, D5100, D5000, D3100, D3000, D60,... N/A
17 [96] Canon EOS Rebel T2i 18 MP CMOS APS-C with EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS Lens + Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.... $539.00
18 [99] -8 Nikon D7000 16.2MP DX-Format CMOS with 18-105mm f/3.5-5.6 AF-S DX VR ED Nikkor Lens $1,196.95 ...

Source?

jwcdds wrote in post #13914634
Probably. But if you didn't already have a glass collection from one camp or the other... it is unlikely you're at the position to drop $3,000 for a camera body and another guaranteed $1,000-unlimited for a full lens line-up.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that most people buying a D700/D800 or 5D2/5D3 (or whatever it'll be called) aren't beginners, aren't already tied into one manufacturer. And most are less willing to switch from what they're familiar with (ergonomics, menus, way the images "look and handle").

In essence, unless you're willing to swap from one system to the next for the latest and greatest... you're pretty much just stuck. Fortunately, if one's being doing "okay" with the tool they're currently using... one can assume they will remain doing just as well even if the competitor's newest camera has more features.

Exactly, But this can hit a breaking point, Do this too much to your customers and they WILL eventually hop camps.... See, All the Nikon folk who fled to Canon because Canon was offering full frame cameras and Nikon had seemingly no plans to compete there... Or the massive lack of AF-S and VR in their lenses compared to Canon having USM and IS in a LOT of lenses..

I hit a breaking point with Nikon, There were many reasons why but the largest was I wanted AF, I wanted fast, accurate AF because i was getting tired of manually focusing all the time, I also was getting more serious about photography and I started to see the writing on the wall for film and needed a good digital migration path...I had a D70 and I hated it... I played with a EOS 20D in a store and loved how responsive and great of a camera it was and hopped to Canon, Sometimes I regret this decision... Usually when certain things happen

IE for the longest time I wanted a D300, Or a Canon version of it, and i REALLY wanted a 16-85 VR equivalent, Nikon also then had the 105 VR Micro-Nikkor that I quite loved....... Canon offered none of those at the time until they announced the 7D (The day I non-jokingly refer to as "The day Canon kept me as a customer" with the trio of announcements of the 7D, 15-85 and 100L... All of which are in my system right now as any astute person will note, IE, im not just **** for the sake of ****, I **** because I do indeed want to buy the thing...)

Now I want to go full frame.. The 5DII doesnt meet my requirements, the D800 does, The 5DIII needs to or a switch MIGHT just be in order

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #13919778
Is the 1DIV AF a step back from the 5DII AF at the center point in low light focusing? Would be a head-scratcher if so.

Yup. Teamspeed even mentioned that the Digital Rebel line did better.

jwcdds wrote in post #13919794
Issue was/is with AI servo and low-light. It's well chronicled by Teamspeed. You should be able to find the thread with the search function.

nicksan wrote in post #13920861
Yup. Teamspeed even mentioned that the Digital Rebel line did better.

Oh, ouch.

You guys are kidding me right? AI Servo on the 1DIV has been fantastic every time I've used one.

Nope. No joke. Perhaps the conditions you shoot in are fine, which is great for you. But when light gets more challenging, the 1d4 struggles in ai servo, but is typically still okay in one shot.

If it doesn't happen to you, then you don't need to worry about it.

EL_PIC wrote in post #13919038
Several years ago ...
Canon was focused on Sony as its main comp.
They even publicly stated this.
At the time Canon was #1, Nikon #2, and Sony #3.
At that same time Nikon was focused on Canon as its main comp.
Now Nikon is #1 and Canon is #2 (see sales figures above) ...
This shows that Canon paid the price for not properly knowing the market.
But the real problem with Canon today is they continue to
refuse they missed the market and loss share by wrong analyiss.
As crazy as it sounds today they still say they were not wrong.
Too be wrong once is human but not to acknowedge it after the fact is .... {LMFAO fill in}

Where is this quoted from? Not that it really matters, but canon is still #1 in sales.

Some interesting facts:
Japan is the 4th largest dslr market.. I always thought they were 1st.

Americas, Asia, and Europe are all almost double Japan with the Americas being the biggest overall camera market(slr + p&s)

Canon has 16 of the top 20 selling DSLR's on Amazon USA.
Canon has 14 of the top 20 selling DSLR's on Amazon UK
5d mark II kit is the highest dollar camera in the top 20 ($3,199)

Sony is gaining on Canon and Nikon in Japan (Canon 32% , Nikon 29%, Sony 13%... As opposed to C-40%, N-40%, S-9% two years ago)

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jwcdds wrote in post #13921701
Nope. No joke. Perhaps the conditions you shoot in are fine, which is great for you. But when light gets more challenging, the 1d4 struggles in ai servo, but is typically still okay in one shot.

If it doesn't happen to you, then you don't need to worry about it.

Yup. I am puzzled by the 1D4. I know a lot of people are happy with it in pretty much all conditions. All I know is the 2 I've owned/used exhibited the same problem. TERRIBLE in low light AI Servo. Worse than the 1D3. Worse than the 5D2's center AF point. And, according to TeamSpeed, worse than the Digital Rebel he did a side-by-side with, again, with the center AF point.

So I can only go by my experience. I'll never touch another one or a camera that has the same AF system.

nicksan wrote in post #13922329
Yup. I am puzzled by the 1D4. I know a lot of people are happy with it in pretty much all conditions. All I know is the 2 I've owned/used exhibited the same problem. TERRIBLE in low light AI Servo. Worse than the 1D3. Worse than the 5D2's center AF point. And, according to TeamSpeed, worse than the Digital Rebel he did a side-by-side with, again, with the center AF point.

So I can only go by my experience. I'll never touch another one or a camera that has the same AF system.

I haven't tried a 1D4 in low light admittedly, I've used AI servo for tracking birds in flight under reasonable light and it performed admirably. I find my 7D's AI focus worse under poor light than my 5DII, using a single centre point. But I guess it depends how the 1D4's AF module is tuned in the 5D replacement. There's a lot more to the AF system than just the module.
I can understand Canon's reasoning with putting the 1D4's AF into the 5D range, it's a good system and it only got to be applied in one camera. Sure, the 61pt system is a nicer design. But the 1D4 was more than adequate for a 1D series, it'll be great in a 5D series. Personally, i can't wait to try it out!

nicksan wrote in post #13919480
Major fail if they put 1D4's AF system on the camera. MAJOR FAIL. Low light sensitivity on the 1DX, and the new Nikons are -2EV. I believe the 1D4 is -1 EV. Low light servo tracking issues on the 1D4 is well known to some. I know that was the case for me, which is why I don't own one anymore. They do that, I'm switching for good.

Canons dammed if they do and dammed if they dont.

You lot complain how teh AF system only has one point, now they may give us 40+ and you are still **** and moaning?

pathetic imo

^^^
They just want what Nikon is offering in the D800, instead of second rate AF.
If they got the 1Dx AF do you really think people will be complaining?
It must seem crazy to allot of people, that despite the fierce competition the D800 is providing, Canon are still trying to find a way to gimp the 5D for the sake of the 1D.

I know you don't have much experience with high end AF systems, but being able to focus fast in very low light is a big deal to some, and is true for me. My D700 is already very good at -1EV in that it can focus, but it takes longer, but with the new AF focussing at -2EV, I doubt I will hardly ever have to use AF assist.
Why would you not want to use 'AF assist'? Well it would be great for documentary wedding photography if you don't have to call attention just before your about to take a shot, sure most of the time I can focus anyway, but it takes longer and the 'moment' doesn't tend to hang around long enough...

jonneymendoza wrote in post #13923360
Canons dammed if they do and dammed if they dont.

You lot complain how teh AF system only has one point, now they may give us 40+ and you are still **** and moaning?

pathetic imo

39 vs 1 cross type to be exact but it doesn't matter how many if it performs poorly.

What is the point of having so many AF points and the AF system doesn't work properly in the first place?

I reckon to most pros that would be like getting a very expensive paperweight. We're paying all that spondoolies on a camera that should perform to the expectations of what most photographers want. Fair enough if photographers want a full frame for landscape photography, where I couldn't imagine the AF focusing issues wouldn't be much of an issue. The 1Dxxx is out of the price range for mere mortals