Canon 5D Mark III Rumors

I find it funny that pretty much all of the people **** about the 5D2 are 7D owners who could not afford the 5d2 and were never in the market for one in the first place
If the 5D Mk3 came out and was perfect, they would not buy it anyway. they would just wait for the 7D mkII.
These posts are funny. Especially the 7D owners trying to come up with reasons why the 1 series was not for them either like they were ever in the market to buy one of those too.
It's not worth arguing with these people. They were never going to buy one.
All the very best.
Vinny.

theviper wrote in post #12273473
I find it funny that pretty much all of the people **** about the 5D2 are 7D owners who could not afford the 5d2 and were never in the market for one in the first place
If the 5D Mk3 came out and was perfect, they would not buy it anyway. they would just wait for the 7D mkII.
These posts are funny. Especially the 7D owners trying to come up with reasons why the 1 series was not for them either like they were ever in the market to buy one of those too.
It's not worth arguing with these people. They were never going to buy one anyway.
All the very best.
Vinny.

Not all of us, I had the money and woulda laid it down on the 5DII, I tried it, and it just doesnt work for me, the AF is abysmal in my book, it was a LITTLE faster than my old 30D, But not by much, and it just didnt feel spritely, It felt lethargic, My 7D is a LOT quicker to react and works faster, I saved the grand and stuck with APS-C and i dont really regret it at the moment, Though I am starting to long for my film shooting days and the DOF control that FF offers...but the 5DII isnt the body for me in that regard

The extra money i simply invested in something else...

DigiNon wrote in post #12273459
Well, can't make everyone happy. Obviously the 5D2 was not built to be a do-it-all camera. As you said, it's best used for portraits or anything that doesn't require great AF system. Which is why it's so highly popular with pro portrait/wedding photographers and the 1D line with pro sports photographers. If the problem is that you wan't the best of both worlds into one body, then I suggest looking elsewhere I guess. If Nikon seems like it would suit you best and offer better products similar to what you require then why not make the switch? I don't mean to say that sarcastically or with an attitude, that's an honest question.

If I bought a minivan for my family and another brand minivan offered same size van with more headroom, better mpg, heated seats and all the bells and whistles for the same price, I would be putting up my van for sale and making the switch.

I understand and dont think you're being sarcastic or mean, Right at the moment im not in the market for a new body, I expect i may be at the end of the year, I'm kinda evaluating my shooting needs and desires, I'm starting to feel that FF might be the correct path for me and benefit me in a large majority of the shooting i do as of late...

For now i shall indulge, I'm going to get another lens for my collection most likely, I dont care about what ifs or what may happen in 8 months, 8 months i might lost $100 on a lens, Thats not a lot of money considering i have the lens for 8 months and will probubly get at least a few hundred keepers..

All this talk of gear...

And then, just per chance, I happened to click on your DeviantART link.


All I'm going to say is this:: Get the gear OUT OF YOUR MIND and start taking better pictures. By constantly engaging in this kind of discussion, you're missing the entire point of photography as your gallery shows.

Oh, and here's a link to my own photography page because I'm sure you're curious.

http://www.flickr.com/​photos/bengford

Let me be very clear: Am I a great photographer? ***NO*** I've still got a LONG way to go in mastering composition and light, but even my paltry little gallery made with dirt cheap gear proves that if you're focused on the picture and not on the camera, you can get great images.

That's my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.

KenjiS wrote in post #12273454
No, Canon is just letting its marketing and number crunchers make products....

Sure, you can do it, Sure, a business can likely survive on it...for a while, But if you stagnate too long, Like Canon is doing, You're going to lose your customers, your LOYAL customers who buy your higher margin products to competetors

Nikon did it until the D3/D300/D700 launched, Then Nikon had a resurgance, a lot of Nikon users dumped ship to Canon because they were sick of waiting for Nikon to come out with a very competetive DSLR

Were Nikon's DSLRs at the time bad? Not really..But they also werent that competitive, and comparing the CCD-sensored upper level Nikons to the CMOS Canon Competition was almost a joke..Especially with Nikon's top tier D2X vs the 1Ds Mark II (Which sounds unfair, But that really was Nikon's competition for the 1DsII) then Canon launched the affordable 5D...and well..a lot of Nikon folks had it dumped camp and came over

Nikon relented and gave the people what they wanted..They actually exceeded expectations...the D300 was outstanding and defined its product segment, an affordable, Pro-quality, Pro-level crop camera, with an outstanding 51-point AF, and Canon had NO response to it at the time...it took 3 years before they fired back with their answer, the outstanding 7D (But even that, For all its awesomeness, in my book was only MATCHING the D300 in many ways and in some ways its not as good) Nikon only had to REFINE the D300 a little to create a competitive product to the 7D, That should tell you something..Though the D300s still shows its age, the sensors not the best on the block now, but keep in mind how old that sensor is....5 years now and more like 6 when its replaced

Then the D700, Which I elaborated on and the D3 for those who wanted the ultimate performance...All 3 bodies are still excellent....

The 5D Mark II in comparison was a slight upgrade to the old 5D, More megapixels, bigger screen, THe biggest feature in it was HD Video, Which i will give is an outstanding feature and as has now been proven, a smart marketing move on Canon's part

Now again, I'm no Nikon fanboy, I'm an ex Nikon shooter who switched to Canon for a lot of reasons...I'm not necessarily about to uproot and switch...

But I'll see how things are at the end of the year...it just may happen that i reevaluate my shooting at the end of the year (Like I've been doing) and decide "you know, I finally wanna go full frame" And I'll be looking for whatever is the best FF replacement for my 7D....My lenses may not be factoring into the equation

All this talk about gear in a gear thread in a gear sub-forum is CRAZY!

SimplyShane wrote in post #12273518
All this talk of gear...

And then, just per chance, I happened to click on your DeviantART link.


All I'm going to say is this:: Get the gear OUT OF YOUR MIND and start taking better pictures. By constantly engaging in this kind of discussion, you're missing the entire point of photography as your gallery shows.

Oh, and here's a link to my own photography page because I'm sure you're curious.

http://www.flickr.com/​photos/bengford

Let me be very clear: Am I a great photographer? ***NO*** I've still got a LONG way to go in mastering composition and light, but even my paltry little gallery made with dirt cheap gear proves that if you're focused on the picture and not on the camera, you can get great images.

That's my 2 cents. Take it or leave it.

You threw the first stone, So im going to respond, I'm not usually a dick about this, but i havnt slept....

Different styles of photography, Your stuff looks like its been run through 4000 photoshop filters to me, Most of it is poncey hipster "Artsy" crap, I hate that ****, It looks so "common" to me these days that i roll my eyes at seeing it, Not, My, Style

Some nice shots, But way too overprocessed to me, Not. My. Thing

Also For the record I have most of my better more recent work on my flickr, Not my Deviantart

Also, Gear forum, Gear-related thread, Guess what we're going to talk about hmmmm?

KenjiS wrote in post #12273529
Different styles of photography, Your stuff looks like its been run through 4000 photoshop filters to me

Fair enough. I think you're right in that I should ease up on the post-processing. I agree with that.

However....

Nah. Nevermind. I won't go there. I'm just going to leave. I've made my point. You can ignore it...
Or start taking better pictures. Your choice. Have fun with the gear-talk!

rhys216 wrote in post #12273337
Yes it's a failure, it should of been able to compete with a D7000

Is that declaration somwhere in a statement from Canon?

More likely, Nikon was finally able to get control of its sensor-production process.

SimplyShane wrote in post #12273538
Fair enough. I think you're right in that I should ease up on the post-processing. I agree with that.

However....

Nah. Nevermind. I won't go there. I'm just going to leave. I've made my point. You can ignore it...
Or start taking better pictures. Your choice. Have fun with the gear-talk!

Have fun being a troll then

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Back on subject, Kirk I would say the D7000 and 60D are competition due to price bracket and bundling, Both are targeted at an advanced amateur who wants something with a bit more meat on the bones compared to a consumer level D5100 or Rebel, Even if Canon didn't intend it to be, it ended up being this way...simply because most people are going to look at price and then compare what you get for the money

I'd put it this way though, the 60D is a great movie DSLR, the D7000 is the stills machine....

Canon and Nikon do not produce camera lines that match model-for-model. They each have their own view of the market and their own concept of how to produce a full spectrum of cameras to meet the desires of their differing views of the market.

The question still is: Does the camera meet Canon's sales goals? The only thing that matters to Canon is whether it's making the intended bottom line.

DigiNon wrote in post #12273459
Well, can't make everyone happy. Obviously the 5D2 was not built to be a do-it-all camera. As you said, it's best used for portraits or anything that doesn't require great AF system. Which is why it's so highly popular with pro portrait/wedding photographers and the 1D line with pro sports photographers. If the problem is that you wan't the best of both worlds into one body, then I suggest looking elsewhere I guess. If Nikon seems like it would suit you best and offer better products similar to what you require then why not make the switch? I don't mean to say that sarcastically or with an attitude, that's an honest question.

If I bought a minivan for my family and another brand minivan offered same size van with more headroom, better mpg, heated seats and all the bells and whistles for the same price, I would be putting up my van for sale and making the switch.

Because having to keep switching camps when you have allot of gear is a major PITA, and shouldn't be taken lightly, I think he is right to wait to see if Canon is going to continue on it's current course, or if it's going to pull it's finger out.

RDKirk wrote in post #12273644
Canon and Nikon do not produce camera lines that match model-for-model. They each have their own view of the market and their own concept of how to produce a full spectrum of cameras to meet the desires of their differing views of the market.

The question still is: Does the camera meet Canon's sales goals? The only thing that matters to Canon is whether it's making the intended bottom line.

Well yeah, pretty much

All i can say is from my perspective working in sales, if a customer came in and said "I have roughly $1500 to spend and im looking to get myself a good solid DSLR for photography, I want room to grow and such too as im fairly serious with it, I plan to use Manual extensively in my photography courses" I would probubly point them to the Nikon D7000 for the reason that as a photography tool it has the most room to grow and will stick with the person for longer

I would show the 60D as well, but point out that for still photography it really isnt going to offer the same solid performance as the D7000 in my opinion, and the only reason i would choose it is if i really wanted to do a lot of movies and that

for a SERIOUS amateur who really is getting into photography i really and honestly would skip the rebels unless the budget was terrible, The simple reason is the rebels are not ergonomically suited to manual mode and that in my opinion, They're really meant for people on an EXTREME budget or people who dont want to know much about what they're doing, Not saying you CANT do it, but its substantially easier with the layout on a D7000 or 60D and you'll probubly end up at a camera of that level pretty quickly

Unless of course you're one of those hipsters that gets an inflated sense of ego because you shoot a rebel...

RDKirk wrote in post #12273563
Is that declaration somwhere in a statement from Canon?

its called business, price difference between 60D and D7000 is about 100-150 bucks, and only reason why 60D is lower and Nikon is highe because Canon failed at producing competive product so Nikon can afford raising the price a bit and still get probably more sales.

RDKirk wrote in post #12273644
Canon and Nikon do not produce camera lines that match model-for-model. They each have their own view of the market and their own concept of how to produce a full spectrum of cameras to meet the desires of their differing views of the market.

The question still is: Does the camera meet Canon's sales goals? The only thing that matters to Canon is whether it's making the intended bottom line.

No, when you zoom out, there is only ONE market, that both Canon & Nikon etc. try their best to capture as much of the market share as possible.

They do this by marketing, and offering camera's that fit all budget's big and small.
They also try to win extra points over the competition with features like proprietary technology/features.
The company with the winning product, is the company that offers the most products that win the Performance Vs Cost.
The company with the winning product line-up, is the company that has the most products, that win the Performance Vs Cost war.
Keep on the right side of this equation, and in time you will dominate the market, just like Canon has shown, fall on the wrong side of this equation, and in time, slowly but surely, your market share will cease to increase, and then will begin to fall until your on the right side of the equation again.

KenjiS wrote in post #12273696
Well yeah, pretty much

All i can say is from my perspective working in sales, if a customer came in and said "I have roughly $1500 to spend and im looking to get myself a good solid DSLR for photography, I want room to grow and such too as im fairly serious with it, I plan to use Manual extensively in my photography courses" I would probably point them to the Nikon D7000 for the reason that as a photography tool it has the most room to grow and will stick with the person for longer

exactly if i was buying a camera now, it would be D7000, and if 5D III is same type of BS like 60D, i will probably be switching

Can really needs to get their priorities straight