Canon 5D Mark III Rumors

I read a long time ago that the best camera is the one that does not get in the photographer's way. A camera that gets in the photographer's way is one where key features are deficient (peripheral AF points on 5D II) or missing. In this respect, the camera is interfering with the optimal photos because it is making it more difficult for the photographer to achieve those shots. Possible yes, but more difficult - and this is the difference between ideal cameras and ones with flaws.

rhys216 wrote in post #12273663
Because having to keep switching camps when you have allot of gear is a major PITA, and shouldn't be taken lightly, I think he is right to wait to see if Canon is going to continue on it's current course, or if it's going to pull it's finger out.

I see it being a one time change. If you feel the need to keep changing back and forth from company to company in the future, then maybe the camera is not the issue.

If it's such a big deal that one camera body doesn't meet your expectations and you need an upgrade to move your business/hobby to the next level, well, make the switch!

Is it a pita? Yes. Would it be worth going through all that trouble? I don't know, you tell me.

If the camera keeps getting in the way, then I don't care which system you prefer, you didn't buy the right camera for the job.

SimplyShane wrote in post #12274483
I agree with this as well.

Again, it showed an arrogance that is not usually so becoming of me. My apologies.


However, despite my heavy-handed abrasiveness, I do stand VERY FIRM with this axiom: At the end of the day, light and composition will always remain more important than sharpness, High ISO performance, or any of the other perks higher-end equipment give us. Light and composition are the bread and butter to everything essential in photography. Everything else is just gravy...

Wait, that made no sense at all. Hehehe. Oh well. I think everyone gets the point.

Thanks for the apology..

I do have to ask how far you looked in my DA though...:/ I have quite a few excellent shots of flowers and etc in there they're just buried a bit deep...I also have a lot of "experiments" in there that usually dont go so well..if you looked on the front page and saw the Helghast helmet photos i can see why you made your comments perhaps...those were experiments as i readily admit to being garbage with my flash

As i said my Flickr has more of my "better" stuff in it and most stuff i've done the last 3 months is in Flickr...except the Helghast helmet...

Im just curious because most people seem to enjoy my flower pictures, I also got a lot of excellent feedback on the layout i did with the vodka bottle and many people have enjoyed my recent playing around with food photography

They're not "artsy" but i never thought them "bad" they're just a different style than you tend to do...

Perhaps a few of my flower photos follow a general compositional routine and i intend to mix it up a bit, i shot a lot of those last year....But i honestly do not understand what your complaint is with a lot of my photos...
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Back on topic however..

jwcdds wrote in post #12274718
Hm...

Let's look at the past 3 years.

Canon 5D2... same 9-point AF, added MFA, added HD Movie, 21mp.
Nikon D700... same 51-point AF as the D3, but 12mp. Has a lot of other goodies.

Nikon D3s... same lame 12mp, but incredible high iso performance.
Canon 1D4... added video, but questionable low-light focus using AI Servo.

Canon (with the exception of the 7D), look at the 60D downgraded to what some call the "super rebel". T2i, T3i basically identical with changes in swivel LCD.
Nikon, D7000, D5100, sensor improvement, iso improvement.

If nothing else, Nikon has shown that in the past 3 years, since the introduction of the D300 and D700 that it continues to be photographer-centric. And Canon has shown that it's craming more pixels and standardizing video. So it would make sense to shoot Nikon from this point forward for those who are frustrated with Canon. Sure you'd lose some $$$ from selling your Canon lenses... but with the way things have been going in recent years... seems like you will continue to be better served with a Nikon system anyway.

Especially since if theres a mass exodus from Canon used prices could go down the bog...

if i remember right, when i shot Nikon i benefitted from a lot of the switchers picking up old film lenses at reallllly cheap prices...

jwcdds wrote in post #12274718
Hm...

Let's look at the past 3 years.

Canon 5D2... same 9-point AF, added MFA, added HD Movie, 21mp.
Nikon D700... same 51-point AF as the D3, but 12mp. Has a lot of other goodies.

Nikon D3s... same lame 12mp, but incredible high iso performance.
Canon 1D4... added video, but questionable low-light focus using AI Servo.

Canon (with the exception of the 7D), look at the 60D downgraded to what some call the "super rebel". T2i, T3i basically identical with changes in swivel LCD.
Nikon, D7000, D5100, sensor improvement, iso improvement.

If nothing else, Nikon has shown that in the past 3 years, since the introduction of the D300 and D700 that it continues to be photographer-centric. And Canon has shown that it's craming more pixels and standardizing video. So it would make sense to shoot Nikon from this point forward for those who are frustrated with Canon. Sure you'd lose some $$$ from selling your Canon lenses... but with the way things have been going in recent years... seems like you will continue to be better served with a Nikon system anyway.

If you have the incling and the money to swap systems...go for it, it's your money and yours to do what ever you choose. But don't be fooled into thinking that the Nikon camp is much better. Many of their lenses are really old designs (although Nikon are currently sorting that). Many older lenses still use ancient worm drive...really poor, regardless how good the camera's AF ability is. You'll also find that most of the camera rubbers will fall off in about 6 months too...really helpfull for resale prices. Nice cameras...shame about the really old fashioned 12mp sensor.

Personally, I've been with Canon since my AV-1 and it's worked out pretty well for me so far. I've just got back from Tuscany and I used a 5DII for 2/3's of my shots and a 7D for the rest. not one out of focus image and a lot of really nice keepers. Used a 16-35IIL, 24-70L, 70-200/2.8IIL, 70-200/4ISL, 100L IS Macro and a ef-s 10-22. All good and the shots are really nice. I'll post a few over the next day or so in the relevent pages here.

DigiNon wrote in post #12274822
I see it being a one time change. If you feel the need to keep changing back and forth from company to company in the future, then maybe the camera is not the issue.

I started out with Canon, but right now, I wish I'd took the Nikon path. However if the roles switched around again like when Canon had good lead over Nikon, then of course I'd be tempted to switch back, so it's imposable to say if it's a 'one time change'.

DigiNon wrote in post #12274822
If it's such a big deal that one camera body doesn't meet your expectations and you need an upgrade to move your business/hobby to the next level, well, make the switch!

Is it a pita? Yes. Would it be worth going through all that trouble? I don't know, you tell me.

Depends on the following:

a) Canon get their act together = No it's not worth it.
b) Canon don't get their act together = Yes it is worth it.

Unfortunately I don't have a crystal ball, that's why I'm waiting to see what Canon release next to see if the 60D was a hiccup, or a sign of things to come.

^^^ And have you actually shot with a 60D? ^^^

I'm saving for a 5D Mark II, if I can't afford it then a 7D, but if they release a Mark III I would be interested. But i'm leaning towards a Full Frame camera, they really seems very good

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #12275152
^^^ And have you actually shot with a 60D? ^^^

I'v shot with a Rebel (550D), that's about the same right?

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #12275152
^^^ And have you actually shot with a 60D? ^^^

I played with one, I actually was decently impressed by it, It really isnt a Rebel-level build, Not 7D level or necessarily up to the level of previous xxDs, Somehow i felt like it could take a bit of a beating though, its hard to explain...I actually liked how it fit my hand, Good fit actually

The AF was exactly as i expected, about on the level of a 50D, it definitely grabbed better than the Rebels

The rear screen was quite cool i gotta admit, and ok fine, doing some shots sometimes? i wish my 7D's screen wasnt fixed...

The IQ and that i expect is on par with a 7D, So yeah, im gonna say the IQ is very good..

To rate quick with math?

Ergonomics/Build: 3.5/5
AF/Speed/Accuracy: 3/5
IQ: 4/5
Features: 4/5

Compare the D7000:

Ergonomics/Build: 3/5 (Being blunt, a few switches on it felt REALLY cheap, Especially the mode dial the body overall felt ok i just knocked a half point off for some cheap switches...)
AF/Speed/Accuracy: 4/5
IQ: Cant really comment fairly
Features: 4/5

I still think the d7000 is a better camera, but the 60D is not a bad camera, Its just not the upgrade i feel it shoulda been

KenjiS wrote in post #12275227
I played with one, I actually was decently impressed by it, It really isnt a Rebel-level build, Not 7D level or necessarily up to the level of previous xxDs, Somehow i felt like it could take a bit of a beating though, its hard to explain...I actually liked how it fit my hand, Good fit actually

The AF was exactly as i expected, about on the level of a 50D, it definitely grabbed better than the Rebels

The rear screen was quite cool i gotta admit, and ok fine, doing some shots sometimes? i wish my 7D's screen wasnt fixed...

The IQ and that i expect is on par with a 7D, So yeah, im gonna say the IQ is very good..

I have to disagree with that, my 550D is more consistent than my (calibrated) 50D, my 550D really surprised me with it's accuracy, according to some reviews it's a more consistent than a 7D, even if it doesn't have the speed.

rhys216 wrote in post #12275145
I started out with Canon, but right now, I wish I'd took the Nikon path. However if the roles switched around again like when Canon had good lead over Nikon, then of course I'd be tempted to switch back, so it's imposable to say if it's a 'one time change'.

I think this speaks for itself. If you can't make up your mind on what camera is good enough for your work and you insist on having the best/newest tech then the camera is not the issue. Canon won't always be the leader here, and Nikon won't always offer a better camera/lenses. So it seems you will continue to have regrets and "shoulda coulda woulda" moments for years to come.

rhys216 wrote in post #12275145
Depends on the following:

a) Canon get their act together = No it's not worth it.
b) Canon don't get their act together = Yes it is worth it.

Unfortunately I don't have a crystal ball, that's why I'm waiting to see what Canon release next to see if the 60D was a hiccup, or a sign of things to come.

The whole "get their act together" argument is a bit silly. At some point in time, for one reason or another, we chose to go with Canon products over the rest. They must be doing something right for us to even consider spending money on their products. Making assumptions over a product that hasn't even been announced yet takes that silly comment to another level.

rhys216 wrote in post #12275238
I have to disagree with that, my 550D is much more consistent than my 50D, my 550D really surprised me with it's accuracy, according to some reviews it's a more consistent than a 7D, even if it doesn't have the speed.

I've heard this, it depends on subjects and that, I dont have a TON of trigger time on a 50D...The 60D is similar..but i wasnt really getting to use her for my shooting..

I will say i feel my 7D works better

DigiNon wrote in post #12275241
The whole "get their act together" argument is a bit silly. At some point in time, for one reason or another, we chose to go with Canon products over the rest. They must be doing something right for us to even consider spending money on their products. Making assumptions over a product that hasn't even been announced yet takes that silly comment to another level.

Canon had an awesome entry level camera (550D), the problem I have now, is there isn't anywhere for me to go for an upgrade with Canon (for my usage) without going FF.