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Apr 22, 2011 21:00 |  #1201

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I still think the d7000 is a better camera, but the 60D is not a bad camera, Its just not the upgrade i feel it shoulda been

Upgrade over what exactly?


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KenjiS wrote in post #12275247 (external link)
I've heard this, it depends on subjects and that, I dont have a TON of trigger time on a 50D...The 60D is similar..but i wasnt really getting to use her for my shooting..

I will say i feel my 7D works better

550D is awful without a grip IMO, but with a grip it's a nice comfortable/lightweigh​t camera that I much prefer over my 50D for a long days shooting, however the controls suck compared to a 50D or 7D and there are a few features I miss.




  
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Apr 22, 2011 21:04 |  #1203
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FlyingPhotog wrote in post #12275275 (external link)
Upgrade over what exactly?

XXXD or XXD




  
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Apr 22, 2011 22:00 |  #1204
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rhys216 wrote in post #12275145 (external link)
Depends on the following:

a) Canon get their act together = No it's not worth it.
b) Canon don't get their act together = Yes it is worth it.

Unfortunately I don't have a crystal ball, that's why I'm waiting to see what Canon release next to see if the 60D was a hiccup, or a sign of things to come.

exactly and i don't expect much, last few cameras has showed that Canon is being lazy. So B option seems more accurate.


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Apr 22, 2011 22:08 |  #1205

rhys216 wrote in post #12275306 (external link)
XXXD or XXD

Can't speak to the XXXD because I've never used one but I think people are mistaken if they consider the 60D to be the next logical step from the 50D.

The numbering is sequential but that's the only connection. If you've outgrown a 40D or 50D then surely the 7D is the way to go, no?

Why would you "progress" looking backwards?


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Apr 22, 2011 23:43 |  #1206

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #12275591 (external link)
Can't speak to the XXXD because I've never used one but I think people are mistaken if they consider the 60D to be the next logical step from the 50D.

The numbering is sequential but that's the only connection. If you've outgrown a 40D or 50D then surely the 7D is the way to go, no?

Why would you "progress" looking backwards?

Agreed. The 60D is more in line with the rebels than it is a successor to the 50D. For that like Jay mentioned look to the 7D.


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FlyingPhotog wrote in post #12275591 (external link)
Can't speak to the XXXD because I've never used one but I think people are mistaken if they consider the 60D to be the next logical step from the 50D.

The numbering is sequential but that's the only connection. If you've outgrown a 40D or 50D then surely the 7D is the way to go, no?

Why would you "progress" looking backwards?

+1

60D is upgrade to the Rebel Line

if you already have 40D or 50D, then 7D is only logical step


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Apr 23, 2011 00:39 |  #1208

I am assuming and hoping that a lot of complaining and belly aching and threatening to leave is in hopes that canon reads these forums, and will respond.
I have owned a 5d2 since shortly after its release, and before that I shot with a 5d. I love the camera. yes, it is lacking some features which are present on some nikon models, like more autfocus points, and cross type, and more bracketing options. also, hopefully canon can make strides in sensor technology when it comes to dynamic range. but 2.5 years after its release, I still find it the perfect camera for me and very capable. 21mp, usable to iso 6400, great center point autofocus with very good tracking, excellent video, in a 2500 dollar package. I also have access to 85 1.2, 35 1.4, 70-200 f4is, 24 and 17 tse. the lenses are generally cheaper than nikon's (though that is changing). I have shot with the entire rebel line, 20d, 40d, 60d, and 7d, and currently own a 60d, and say anyone who calls it a super rebel, just ridiculous. pentaprism, better construction, much better buffer, back wheel.
but back to 5D2, when I bought the Nikon 14-24, I shot with d700, d3s, and d3x. I would not switch my 5d2. the d3x has great image quality, is very expensive, has no movies, shoots at 1.8fps at 14bit. the other 2 are 12mp, and again for my style of shooting, not very good. If this mythical d800 pans out, and it has a high resolution sensor with high dynamic range, with good video features, in the sub 3000 price range, we can talk about canon's answer.


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Apr 23, 2011 00:54 |  #1209

I don't think anyone expects Canon to be reading the forums and respond or anything like that. I see it as more about the debate, discussion and speculation.




  
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Apr 23, 2011 05:08 as a reply to  @ nekrosoft13's post |  #1210
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FlyingPhotog wrote in post #12275591 (external link)
Can't speak to the XXXD because I've never used one but I think people are mistaken if they consider the 60D to be the next logical step from the 50D.

The numbering is sequential but that's the only connection. If you've outgrown a 40D or 50D then surely the 7D is the way to go, no?

Why would you "progress" looking backwards?

If you already have a 550D or better (600D) and don't need weather sealing and super fast focus and 100% viewfinder, then the 7D isn't really an upgrade either though.
550D has more consistent focus, more dynamic range, better ISO, and is a tiny bit sharper.
As the above affects IQ, I'm not willing to upgrade one thing, to downgrade the other.




  
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Apr 23, 2011 06:02 |  #1211

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550D has more consistent focus, more dynamic range, better ISO, and is a tiny bit sharper.As the above affects IQ, I'm not willing to upgrade one thing, to downgrade the other.

I'm interested in where the evidence for those statements comes from. Have you done accurate scientific tests or are you repeating gossip and hearsay?

I can't cast an opinion on the crop-frame cameras as I've never used one. Like Kevindar I accept the faults in my 5D2 as it makes pictures good enough so that I can only blame myself when things don't turn out right.

But I'm interested in threads like this as there are technical things to learn all the time, and it's better to learn from others mistakes than one's own, when wecan!

So if making definitive statements about the quality of equipment it would be useful to give us references.....;);)


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Apr 23, 2011 06:33 |  #1212
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550D - ISO 100 - ruler numbers look a little sharper than 7D

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7D - ISO 100 - Slightly softer, with larger grain.
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550D - ISO 1600 - Noise is clearly reduced, compared to the 7D.
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Despite the far simpler AF array of the 550D, with its single f/2.8 central sensor, I found it more accurate with everyday subjects than the 7D.
Does this mean the AF system of the 550D is superior to the 7D? Maybe Canon has adjusted whatever parameters it can to yield more consistent and acceptable results from the inexperienced user. That must include me, as my hit-rate with the 550D was definitely better than with the 7D.


The 550D also has better dynamic range, maybe at the expense of some colour discrimination. All this is achieved with the help of gapless micro-lenses and low-density colour filters on the sensor.

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Apr 23, 2011 07:29 |  #1213

I don't get why people become so emotional about a camera. In this case the 5d2: nobody is forcing you to buy it (or why do you own one already?) If you think it's crap and doesn't have the killer AF and speed you need, then look for alternatives. I just find the 'threatening' to switch laughable. Nobody forced you to buy Canon to start with, it's a choice you have made yourself. If it ends up being the wrong choice, deal with it, but don't be a whiner.


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Apr 23, 2011 08:15 |  #1214

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I see it being a one time change. If you feel the need to keep changing back and forth from company to company in the future, then maybe the camera is not the issue.

And there is the absurdity of the particular kind of absentmindedness we see here. Someone has just said, "...look at the last three years..."

No, let's look at the last six years. Up until three years ago, it looked like Nikon was about to fail permanently and completely--there was suspicion that they'd become a second-rung manufacturer like Pentax, if they didn't leave the business entirely. Then they got control of their sensor design and made a couple of major moves to get back into the game. Bravo for them.

But that's the kind of technological leapfrogging that Canon and Nikon have been doing for the last thirty-eight years. Anyone with a sense of the history knows there is no point to switching back and forth.


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Apr 23, 2011 08:18 |  #1215

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I don't think anyone expects Canon to be reading the forums and respond or anything like that. I see it as more about the debate, discussion and speculation.

They're not. It's been clear for a long time that Canon Inc is listening to their home market. What we really need to know is what the Japanese language forums are saying.


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