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Af issues with the 7D - Eyes.

 
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Feb 07, 2010 19:23 |  #1

hey guys!

After a quick micro-adjustment to the 7D, i've been trying to take portraits of my siblings. I am having such a hard time keeping their eyes in focus. It's only with this camera that i'm experiencing this issue.

I've tried Single AF point, AF point expansion and Single AF spot. I've also tried Single shot, AI focus and AI servo. My hit rate is about 6-7/10 with the 7D. With my previous cameras, i've been getting a 9-10/10 hit rate with the eyes.

Any tips would definitely help.

-EDIT-

Some more samples...

7D + 85L | 85mm | f2.0 | ISO 1600 | 1/160 (AF using AF expansion - Single shot || Note: i've found this to be the best way to get the sharpest results)

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5DII + 85L | 85mm | f2.0 | ISO 1600 | 1/160 (AF using Peripheral AF point- Single shot)

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- edit #2 -

I've found a couple of things from the-digital-picture about the 7D's "focus issue" (or lack there of to some people)...

The-Digital-Picture.com wrote:
The 7D images are softer than the other DSLRs at the same sharpness setting - repeated testing confirms this. There is no focus error here and the examples use an aperture wider than the DLA. A set of examples processed at a DPP sharpness setting of "2" shows similar sharpness to the T1i and 50D. Also noticeable is that sharpening sharpens the noise which makes it more apparent. Thus, equal sharpness results in the 7D losing some of its lead in the high ISO noise comparison.

..Once again, many comparisons can be made. In this example, the fine details of the fabric better-hides the high ISO noise. The Canon EOS 7D shows a slight resolution increase over the 50D, but again, appears slightly less-sharp at the "1" sharpness setting. Even though the 50D image is slightly sharper, the 7D image is still better than the 50D uprezzed to 7D dimensions. Honestly, the resolution differences are not huge and in my opinion, not a good reason alone (there are many other good reasons) to upgrade from the 50D to the 7D for most. ...

...A sharpness setting of "2" helps the 7D a lot in this example. The 5D Mark II, on the other hand, is a clear winner in this comparison.

...In all cases, in the 7D images are slightly less-sharp than the 50D images when processed with identical settings. Here is a another look at the sharpness and resolution differences between these two cameras...

...I'm guessing that the 7D's anti-alias filter is a little stronger relative to the individual pixels on this sensor compared to the T1i or 50D. And that the 50D and T1i's anti-alias filter are a little stronger relative to their individual pixels compared to the 5D II and some other prior DSLR models...

-EDIT- Feb 8 2009.

I will be exchanging the camera on Wednesday or Thursday night. I'm hoping that i get a better copy.

-EDIT- Feb 10 2009.

I was able to exchange the body for another one... After a few initial tests without any AF adjustment, i realized that the body is performing better than the original 7D that I had. The AF system was more consistent shot after shot...

here are some examples... These shots were doing right after each other. and as you can see, the AF did not focus shift.

NOTE: I haven't done any af adjustment on the body, and i used single AF point for focus.

The exif is as follows: 7D + 85L II @ iso 1600, 85mm, 1.2, 1/160

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I will definitely be doing more testing on friday and i will post my results here.

-EDIT - feb 10 2009 (2)

I'll put up more pictures tomorrow with something that's lower in ISO, has less NR for people to be happy. :D I'm all about pleasing people.

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Feb 07, 2010 19:26 |  #2

A 100% crop from an in-focus and an out-of-focus shot with EXIF data would be helpful.


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Feb 07, 2010 19:27 |  #3

Can you post some examples?


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Feb 07, 2010 19:41 as a reply to  @ vmaidens's post |  #4

Marloon, I am in the same boat. Can't get eyes in focus. I used to get much better results with my XSI :(




  
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Feb 07, 2010 20:14 |  #5

okay. i'll post samples later today


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Feb 07, 2010 23:10 |  #6

So here are samples. I've focused on his closer eye with Spot AF. I'm using an 85L.

the exif is: 7D + 85L. 85mm | f1.2| iso 2000 | 1/125 | AF Micro Adjust is +3 (which i find to be spot on when it works.

I know that at f1.2 the DOF is really thin, so do you think that it user error as well? I'm sure that canon's QC isnt this bad.

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Feb 07, 2010 23:21 |  #7

More samples:

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Feb 07, 2010 23:24 |  #8

At f/1.2, I don't think you'll ever be able to get both eyes in focus if your subject isn't looking directly at you (or very nearly so...)


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Feb 07, 2010 23:26 |  #9

More samples.

Different Exif: 85L + 7D | 85mm | f1.2 | 1/200 | ISO 1600

All focusing on the person's Left Eye (The right eye from our perspective)

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Feb 07, 2010 23:26 |  #10

I've not noticed any AF problems with my 7D shooting people. It must be said I havent been shooting at f1.2, but at 2.8 even at very close distances (with shallow depth of field) ive not had any problems to report.


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Feb 07, 2010 23:43 |  #11

A few things you need to consider:

1. Your image at ISO2000 will not be as crisp/sharp as it will at ISO 200.
2. 1/160 isn't nearly enough handheld on a crop. That whole rule of thumb "reciprocal of the focal length/1:1 ratio" is true for film and full frame. I would suggest closer to 1/250 would yield better results.
3. The 85mm 1.2 is a very unforgiving lens. Its not at its sharpest at 1.2 either. Focus can be easily lost/shifted just by breathing and head bobble.
4. Consider the distance from your subject as well.

Believe me, its not so much the camera.


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Feb 07, 2010 23:53 |  #12

BEEEsH wrote in post #9564039 (external link)
A few things you need to consider:

1. Your image at ISO2000 will not be as crisp/sharp as it will at ISO 200.
2. 1/160 isn't nearly enough handheld on a crop. That whole rule of thumb "reciprocal of the focal length/1:1 ratio" is true for film and full frame. I would suggest closer to 1/250 would yield better results.
3. The 85mm 1.2 is a very unforgiving lens. Its not at its sharpest at 1.2 either. Focus can be easily lost/shifted just by breathing and head bobble.
4. Consider the distance from your subject as well.

Believe me, its not so much the camera.

I definitely agree with what you have said. I'll test it to your recommendations. I'll test it tomorrow...

but for now.. so more samples...

Some more samples...

7D + 85L | 85mm | f2.0 | ISO 1600 | 1/160 (AF using AF expansion - Single shot || Note: i've found this to be the best way to get the sharpest results)

IMAGE: http://i49.tinypic.com/2n1xilw.jpg
IMAGE: http://i49.tinypic.com/mslphf.jpg

5DII + 85L | 85mm | f2.0 | ISO 1600 | 1/160 (AF using Peripheral AF point- Single shot)

IMAGE: http://i46.tinypic.com/14u9d1v.jpg
IMAGE: http://i48.tinypic.com/30svd5h.jpg

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Feb 07, 2010 23:57 |  #13

Marloon.. that looks pretty bad in your case. Do you use tripod when you take the test shots? Did you find that eyes are more infocus at higher shutter speed? I found that i have to use 1/160 with my 85mm/1.8 to keep shots from hand shakes.

And Using lower ISO + right exposure mode + AF expansion and focus search "off " give pretty good results in some tricky situations.

I have to admit the T1i, 30D and 5D Classic are much easier to get in-focus eyes at higher ISO, slower shutter speed with manual focus point selection.


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Feb 08, 2010 00:01 |  #14

nonick wrote in post #9564094 (external link)
Marloon.. that looks pretty bad in your case. Do you use tripod when you take the test shots? Did you find that eyes are more infocus at higher shutter speed? I fond that i have to use 1/160 with my 85mm/1.8 to keep the shot from hand shakes.

And Using lower ISO + right exposure mode + AF expansion and focus search "off " give pretty good results in some tricky situations
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I've used the general rule - SS = 1/(FL * Format). Generally with that rule, you can shoot with any aps-c + 85mm lens at 1/160 and get results that prevent camera shakes.

I've never tried the focus search off. I'll give it a try tomorrow and i'll shoot in daylight.


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Feb 08, 2010 00:03 |  #15

nonick wrote in post #9564094 (external link)
...I have to admit the T1i, 30D and 5D Classic are much easier to get in-focus eyes at higher ISO, slower shutter speed with manual focus point selection...

yeah and why is that? I found the 40D to produce better results compared to this camera... This whole AF thing is starting to tick me off.


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