Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Birds 
Thread started 17 Feb 2010 (Wednesday) 12:46
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

How to setup your Mark IV for BIF

 
Jim ­ Neiger
Senior Member
608 posts
Gallery: 32 photos
Likes: 9
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Kissimmee, Florida
     
Feb 17, 2010 12:46 |  #1

I have received a number of PMs and emails from folks asking me for my Mark IV settings for birds in flight. Here are my settings along with a brief explanation of why I use each setting. These settings are meant to be use dwith effective focal lengths of 400mm or longer and hand held techniques. If you want to see samples of my work, see my recent BIF posts here or in my website galleries.

1. Manual exposure mode. This is almost a requirement for BIF when you have changing bgs. There are many other reasons as well.

2. AI Servo AF - To allow AF tracking of moving subjects.

3. High speed continous drive. This allows me to shoot in controlled bursts to cature the peak action shots.

4. Center AF point only for BIF against very busy and or close varied bgs. Center AF point plus surrounding AF point expansion for BIF against distant varied bgs or BIF against smoot sky or water bgs. When a variety of bgs are possible, I use center AF point only.

5. Tracking sensitivity set to SLOW. This should be used with bump focus technique #2 below.

6. * button set to AF Lock. I use this when shooting still subjects. It allows me to remain in AI Servo AF and center AF point, but still be able to compose images of still subjects in camera. This way I am always ready for action without compromising my ability to compose images of perched birds. I use the shutter button to focus.

7. Lens focus limiter switch set to the longest near focus distance. This helps speed up AF in many situations.

Bump Focus Technique: To quickly focus or let off and refocus. There are three uses for the bump focus technique:

1. The first reason to bump the focus is to prefocus. The first task when photographing a BIF is to aquire it in the viewfinder and focus on it. It is beneficial to be able to do this as quickly as possible. When using long focal lengths, the bird may be so out of focus that you can't see it in the viewfinder even if it's there. Then when you do get it in the viewfinder it may take much longer to focus on it if the focus is set to a drastically different distance. To overcome these issues, I will prefocus at the approximate distance that I anticipate for my subject. Then when the subject arrives, I can find it and focus on it quickly. I prefocus the camera by pointing the camera at something at the desired distance and then I focus on it. Now I'm ready for a BIF at a similar distance. If I need to switch the distance I will simply point the camera at something at the new distance and bump the focus. This will prefocus the camera at the new distance. Photogs that use a tripod will often prefocus manualy. Since manual focus is difficult hand held with big glass, I use the bump to prefocus.

2. When I am tracking a BIF against a varied bg and I miss and focus on the bg I will bump the focus to quickly return focus to the bird. Bumping the focus overrides the delay set by the tracking sensitivity custom function. I set tracking sensitivity to slow to get the longest delay possible. This helps when you are focused on the bird and want to avoid focusing on the bg, but it hurts when focused on the bg and you want to return focus to the bird. Bumping the focus overrides the delay allowing you to use the long delay when it helps and override the delay entirely when it would hurt..

3. This is the most important use of the bump technique. Most photogs will aquire focus on a bif and then try to continously maintain foucs while they are tracking and watching the bif in the viewfinder. They tend to focus continuosly waiting for the moment they wish to make a photograph. Often while watching, tracking, and waiting for the moment, the photographer will miss and focus on the bg. This is extremely easy to do when the bif is flying against a varied bg. This is the reason it is so much more difficult to photograph BIF against a varied bg as opposed to smooth sky bg. When the focus grabs the bg, then the photographer needs to re-aquire focus on the bif. This may take too much time causing the photog to miss the critical moment. I try to avoid this by only focusing on the BIF when I'm sure I'm on target and during the critical moments when I'm acualy making images. So, what I will typicaly do is aquire the bif initialy and focus on it. Then I will let off the focus and just watch it in the viewfinder while tracking it visualy only. As the distance changes, the BIF will start to go out of focus. When that happens I bring it back in focus by quickly making sure the AF point is on the bird and then I bump the focus to get it in focus again. I do this repeatedly as I'm visualy tracking the bird. When the BIF gets to the spot I want to start making pictures, I will focus and shoot all at once. I shoot in short controlled bursts trying to time the critical moments with the best wing positions, etc. Because I have bumped the focus along, the focus is very close to where it needs to be when the moment to make pictures arrives. Then when I focus and trip the shutter it happens very quickly. If I tried to focus constantly while the bif approached I would likely miss, focus on the bg, and miss the critical moment. My goal is to keep the bird close to in focus and in the viewfinder without focusing on the bg and to do this up until the critical moment arrives. Then I try to maintain the focus while making great pictures. Bumping takes lots of practice, but if you develop this skill, it will make your keeper rate go way up.

I hope everyone finds this thread helpful.

Jim Neiger


Jim Neiger - Kissimmee, Florida
Get the Book: Flight Plan - How to Photograph Birds in Flight (external link)
Please visit my website: www.flightschoolphotog​raphy.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
canonloader
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
52,911 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 135
Joined Aug 2006
Location: Behind A Camera
     
Feb 17, 2010 12:52 |  #2

I have found myself using the bump technique myself recently. Something I just started doing. Seems natural to do, and has the advantage of working. Nice to see someone put it into words though. :)


Mitch- ____...^.^...____
Gear List, My You Tube (external link)
War is not about who's right, it's about who's left.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
photonoob1
Member
Avatar
83 posts
Joined Jan 2010
Location: baton rouge louisiana
     
Feb 18, 2010 18:38 |  #3

what is the bump focus exactly, like, in lamens terms or noob terms,




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
canonloader
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
52,911 posts
Gallery: 6 photos
Likes: 135
Joined Aug 2006
Location: Behind A Camera
     
Feb 18, 2010 18:51 |  #4

Just keep tapping the shutter button half way. Don't just hold it down all the time.


Mitch- ____...^.^...____
Gear List, My You Tube (external link)
War is not about who's right, it's about who's left.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Jim ­ Neiger
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
608 posts
Gallery: 32 photos
Likes: 9
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Kissimmee, Florida
     
Feb 18, 2010 19:19 |  #5

Bumping means to quickly focus and then let off the focus. The secret is to bump with a purpose in mind, which is to keep the focus close while avoiding focusing on the bg. The best way to avoid focusing on the bg is to not focus. You want to minimize focusing to brief moments to stay close and then focus while shooting. Pick your moments to shoot when the action is what you want. Avoid moments where the subject is to small in the frame or is facing away, etc.


Jim Neiger - Kissimmee, Florida
Get the Book: Flight Plan - How to Photograph Birds in Flight (external link)
Please visit my website: www.flightschoolphotog​raphy.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
res
Senior Member
Avatar
896 posts
Gallery: 1 photo
Likes: 14
Joined Dec 2008
Location: Central Michigan
     
Feb 18, 2010 21:02 as a reply to  @ Jim Neiger's post |  #6

Very interesting. I could have used this last weekend. I will give it a try in the near future. Thanks for sharing your technique. Rick




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
bsmotril
Goldmember
Avatar
2,543 posts
Gallery: 11 photos
Likes: 402
Joined Feb 2006
Location: Austin TX
     
Feb 18, 2010 21:34 |  #7

This will prove useful for me. Thank you for posting.


Gear List
Galleries: http://www.flickr.com/​photos/smopho/ (external link) --- http://billsmotrilla.z​enfolio.com/ (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Broomer
Senior Member
Avatar
556 posts
Gallery: 2 photos
Likes: 51
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Broome, Western Australia
     
Feb 23, 2010 08:19 as a reply to  @ bsmotril's post |  #8

Thankyou Jim.bw!

I've been focusing with my thumb for a couple of years now but last weekend I put your technique into practice with much better results.
While I was still using av mode I felt more coordination at bumping and letting the bif go off focus (with my index finger) and bump again to get the action.

I'll be putting your technique to more practice...;)

Juvenile Sea-eagles from last weekend..

Regard, Paul.


HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.



HOSTED PHOTO
please log in to view hosted photos in full size.


Paul

5DIII, 7DII, 40D, 16-35L f4, 17-55 f2.8, 24-105L, 85 1.8, 135 2.0L, 100-400L, 50 1.8 STM, 600ex-rt

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
F-117HWK
Senior Member
Avatar
588 posts
Likes: 26
Joined Jun 2008
Location: Bluemont, VA
     
Feb 23, 2010 08:30 as a reply to  @ Broomer's post |  #9

Great write up. I have found myself using techniques like these without ever really having a name for them. Good to hear some new terminology.


Cameras:Canon 1Ds Mark III, Canon 1Ds Mark II, Canon 40D, Canon SD1400
Lenses: Canon 300 f/2.8L IS, 70-200 f/2.8L IS, 180 f/3.5L Macro, 17-40 f/4L, 50mm f/1.8. Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM
Other:Gitzo GT3541 w/ Acra Swiss Z1 w/ RRS Lever Lock, Speedlite 580EX II, 1.4x TC, RRS L & Lens Plates, Lee Filter System Flickr (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
RandyCanon
Member
215 posts
Joined Dec 2006
Location: Charlotte, NC
     
Feb 26, 2010 04:28 |  #10

Jim Neiger wrote in post #9627617 (external link)
I have received a number of PMs and emails from folks asking me for my Mark IV settings for birds in flight. Here are my settings along with a brief explanation of why I use each setting. These settings are meant to be use dwith effective focal lengths of 400mm or longer and hand held techniques. If you want to see samples of my work, see my recent BIF posts here or in my website galleries.

1. Manual exposure mode. This is almost a requirement for BIF when you have changing bgs. There are many other reasons as well.

2. AI Servo AF - To allow AF tracking of moving subjects.

3. High speed continous drive. This allows me to shoot in controlled bursts to cature the peak action shots.

4. Center AF point only for BIF against very busy and or close varied bgs. Center AF point plus surrounding AF point expansion for BIF against distant varied bgs or BIF against smoot sky or water bgs. When a variety of bgs are possible, I use center AF point only.

5. Tracking sensitivity set to SLOW. This should be used with bump focus technique #2 below.

6. * button set to AF Lock. I use this when shooting still subjects. It allows me to remain in AI Servo AF and center AF point, but still be able to compose images of still subjects in camera. This way I am always ready for action without compromising my ability to compose images of perched birds. I use the shutter button to focus.

7. Lens focus limiter switch set to the longest near focus distance. This helps speed up AF in many situations.

Bump Focus Technique: To quickly focus or let off and refocus. There are three uses for the bump focus technique:

1. The first reason to bump the focus is to prefocus. The first task when photographing a BIF is to aquire it in the viewfinder and focus on it. It is beneficial to be able to do this as quickly as possible. When using long focal lengths, the bird may be so out of focus that you can't see it in the viewfinder even if it's there. Then when you do get it in the viewfinder it may take much longer to focus on it if the focus is set to a drastically different distance. To overcome these issues, I will prefocus at the approximate distance that I anticipate for my subject. Then when the subject arrives, I can find it and focus on it quickly. I prefocus the camera by pointing the camera at something at the desired distance and then I focus on it. Now I'm ready for a BIF at a similar distance. If I need to switch the distance I will simply point the camera at something at the new distance and bump the focus. This will prefocus the camera at the new distance. Photogs that use a tripod will often prefocus manualy. Since manual focus is difficult hand held with big glass, I use the bump to prefocus.

2. When I am tracking a BIF against a varied bg and I miss and focus on the bg I will bump the focus to quickly return focus to the bird. Bumping the focus overrides the delay set by the tracking sensitivity custom function. I set tracking sensitivity to slow to get the longest delay possible. This helps when you are focused on the bird and want to avoid focusing on the bg, but it hurts when focused on the bg and you want to return focus to the bird. Bumping the focus overrides the delay allowing you to use the long delay when it helps and override the delay entirely when it would hurt..

3. This is the most important use of the bump technique. Most photogs will aquire focus on a bif and then try to continously maintain foucs while they are tracking and watching the bif in the viewfinder. They tend to focus continuosly waiting for the moment they wish to make a photograph. Often while watching, tracking, and waiting for the moment, the photographer will miss and focus on the bg. This is extremely easy to do when the bif is flying against a varied bg. This is the reason it is so much more difficult to photograph BIF against a varied bg as opposed to smooth sky bg. When the focus grabs the bg, then the photographer needs to re-aquire focus on the bif. This may take too much time causing the photog to miss the critical moment. I try to avoid this by only focusing on the BIF when I'm sure I'm on target and during the critical moments when I'm acualy making images. So, what I will typicaly do is aquire the bif initialy and focus on it. Then I will let off the focus and just watch it in the viewfinder while tracking it visualy only. As the distance changes, the BIF will start to go out of focus. When that happens I bring it back in focus by quickly making sure the AF point is on the bird and then I bump the focus to get it in focus again. I do this repeatedly as I'm visualy tracking the bird. When the BIF gets to the spot I want to start making pictures, I will focus and shoot all at once. I shoot in short controlled bursts trying to time the critical moments with the best wing positions, etc. Because I have bumped the focus along, the focus is very close to where it needs to be when the moment to make pictures arrives. Then when I focus and trip the shutter it happens very quickly. If I tried to focus constantly while the bif approached I would likely miss, focus on the bg, and miss the critical moment. My goal is to keep the bird close to in focus and in the viewfinder without focusing on the bg and to do this up until the critical moment arrives. Then I try to maintain the focus while making great pictures. Bumping takes lots of practice, but if you develop this skill, it will make your keeper rate go way up.

I hope everyone finds this thread helpful.

Jim Neiger

IS on or OFF ?
thanks !


Thanks
Randy

http://www.carolina-sportsphotography.com/ (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Jim ­ Neiger
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
608 posts
Gallery: 32 photos
Likes: 9
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Kissimmee, Florida
     
Feb 27, 2010 22:07 |  #11

RandyCanon wrote in post #9685746 (external link)
IS on or OFF ?
thanks !

IS ON 2


Jim Neiger - Kissimmee, Florida
Get the Book: Flight Plan - How to Photograph Birds in Flight (external link)
Please visit my website: www.flightschoolphotog​raphy.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
GyRob
Cream of the Crop
10,206 posts
Likes: 1413
Joined Feb 2005
Location: N.E.LINCOLNSHIRE UK.
     
Feb 28, 2010 05:12 |  #12

I think this is how you used the mk3 to great effect isnt it ?
Its the way i set and use mine and my 7d too the bumping with slow track really helps increase the keeper rate.
Rob.


"The LensMaster Gimbal"
http://www.lensmaster.​co.uk/rh1.htm (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
billhercus
Senior Member
Avatar
469 posts
Joined Jul 2002
Location: Scotland
     
Jun 07, 2010 10:55 |  #13

Now practising with the 7d using Manual etc. as advised. How about Auto ISO though? Use initial setting of say 400 or 800 to get a manual setting and then Auto ISO from there. Is that a good idea?

Not sure how to set "* button set to AF Lock" - Don't think I can set that on the 7d but may have misread - anyone help here.

Really appreciating the advice!


7D, G1X,
EF70-200 f2.8L IS ll USM,15-85 IS,USM, Nifty 50,Canon EF x 2 lll TC, 580EX, 420EX, 270EX
Elements 11. LR4
Far too much interest in techniques, not nearly enough photographs taken!!

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Jim ­ Neiger
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
608 posts
Gallery: 32 photos
Likes: 9
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Kissimmee, Florida
     
Jun 07, 2010 11:17 |  #14

billhercus wrote in post #10317779 (external link)
Now practising with the 7d using Manual etc. as advised. How about Auto ISO though? Use initial setting of say 400 or 800 to get a manual setting and then Auto ISO from there. Is that a good idea?

Not sure how to set "* button set to AF Lock" - Don't think I can set that on the 7d but may have misread - anyone help here.

Really appreciating the advice!

You don't want auto ISO. That defeats the purpose of manual mode. YOU want to have complete control over exposure.

AF lock is custom functions IV, 1, 1 + IV, 2, enable. I think this is right, but I'm writing from memory. You can skip CF IV,2, enable if you want to use the AF-L button instead of the * button.


Jim Neiger - Kissimmee, Florida
Get the Book: Flight Plan - How to Photograph Birds in Flight (external link)
Please visit my website: www.flightschoolphotog​raphy.com (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
billhercus
Senior Member
Avatar
469 posts
Joined Jul 2002
Location: Scotland
     
Jun 07, 2010 11:35 |  #15

Got it!

Off out again!

Very impressed!!


7D, G1X,
EF70-200 f2.8L IS ll USM,15-85 IS,USM, Nifty 50,Canon EF x 2 lll TC, 580EX, 420EX, 270EX
Elements 11. LR4
Far too much interest in techniques, not nearly enough photographs taken!!

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

20,729 views & 0 likes for this thread, 22 members have posted to it and it is followed by 3 members.
How to setup your Mark IV for BIF
FORUMS Photo Sharing & Discussion Birds 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member is semonsters
1460 guests, 137 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.