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Jul 01, 2005 12:29 |  #1

Here's a '37 Willys I shot last night. It seemed to be too pretty to just leave it in the parking lot!

1. Make a selection of the car & one of the windows & save them in the Channels Palette as a Channel mask. (Look at the buttons at the bottom of the Channels Palette).
More about Selections - what I like for objects with hard edges: Selecting areas in PhotoShop

Click the Palette Tab to return to the Layers Palette. 2-click on the Background layer to unlock it. Rename it or go with the default "Layer 0" name.
Recall the main car selection.
Layer> Add Layer Mask> Reveal All
Edit> Fill, with black.
Now the unwanted background should be hidden.
Ctrl + D to remove the selection boundry.

2. Shows the Layer mask. Other layers "Eye's" are off.
Layer Masks - What the Thumbnails mean (external link)
Free Layer Mask Tool for Photoshop Elements 6, 7 and 8 (external link)
The Essential Approach to Masking in Photoshop (external link)

(NOTE: You could just drag the background of your choice from another pic in, instead of making the gradient background.)


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3. Select a color for the Gradient. I used one from the car.
Layer> New Layer. Drag it below the old Background layer.
Select the Gradient Tool & the Reflected Gradient & drag a diagonal line across the car. Play with it 'till you get it where you want it.

4. I recalled the windows selection from the Channels Palette, Edit> Copied a selection of the gradient layer, & pasted it into a new layer.
It looked to bright to be a background seen through the windows, so Layer> Adjustment Layer> Hue & Saturation & I set the Sat at -50.

Then I added a new layer between the car & the gradient & painted in a black shadow with the brush opacity at 11% to give me more control.


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Done, unless you decide to retouch the car. I decided to do a bit, so I made a copy of the car layer & did the retouching on that.
You can see the final result here:
Blown '37 Willys - A Beauty with a Beast!

Have fun with it!
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EDIT:
One thing I didn't mention is that an Adjustment Layer (AL) affects ALL layers beneath it. You can avoid that by Grouping (locking) the AL only to the layer below it by Alt-clicking between the AL & the layer below it. You'll see a little down arrow in the AL after you do that. (Not shown here.)
A Group can be unlocked (guess what!) by Alt-clicking between the layers again.
EDIT2: I'm told that this is a Clipping Mask, not a Group.

This is a simplified version of the Layer & Channel Pallets to illustrate using a Layer Mask to hide part of an image. Normally, I would have put the sky image over the P-51 image. Dunno why I did the reverse here.
Mustang & B-17 + PS - Post #26

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EDIT3: Mark (lambocars), has a similar tutorial on his site here: CREATING A PHOTO FROM A SHOWROOM SNAPSHOT (external link)

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Jul 01, 2005 12:39 |  #2

very good, thanks




  
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Jul 01, 2005 12:51 |  #3

Okay,

Make it real tough...remove the reflection of the parking lot...


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Jul 01, 2005 18:33 |  #4

Make it real tough...remove the reflection of the parking lot...

I'd be happy to! PM your PO# & credit card number! :D:D:D


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Jul 03, 2005 11:30 |  #5

Can this be done in photoshop elements 2? What is the difference between photoshop 7 and photoshop elements?




  
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Jul 03, 2005 18:20 |  #6

Can this be done in photoshop elements 2?

I don't have PSE, but there are always more than one way to do things in PS! If you don't have Layer Masks, you could cut & paste the car into a clean layer, or just erase the background.
If you don't have a channel to save the selection to, make a new layer, fill the selection with black, then turn the layer off. Then you can "recall" the selection with the Magic Wand.
I did some of this stuff in an old version of PSE, so I'm sure that you can get the results now. ;-)a

Other methods:

Background issues

How To Replace The Sky In A Photo With Photoshop (external link)

Tutorial - Create a layer mask from image detail
And see the links in post #24. The Russell Brown video tutorial covers some good techniques using the Extract Filter, Alpha Channels, Layer Masks using Selections, using Levels to adjust the Mask, & Blur Tool on the Mask edges.

The only issue I have with it is that he passes over using the Pen Tool, which adds needless complexity & will have the average person tearing their hair out in less than 5 minutes? In this case, anything that he does here with the PT can be more easily done with the Polygonal Lasso Tool which takes about ten seconds to learn.

Learn how to make complex hair selections in Photoshop (external link)

How To Remove Background Around Lots Of Hair Photoshop CS6 Tutorial

Dark hair on a dark background: Dermit has posted a good tutorial in:
Separating a person from the background?

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Aug 29, 2007 09:36 |  #7

RE: PSE (Elements)
Exposure, car lighting, layer Masks, selecting ALL in here:
some info to level out the exposure using a selection & a Layer mask, too. PS: see post #9;
PS Elements in Post # 14
A question about sky

EDIT: Sooner or later you'll have a problem with the clone tools where there's a light area next to a darker area. Normally I'll select the area & clone small bits at a time within the selection.
https://photography-on-the.net …hp?p=7673809&po​stcount=11

Cloning in general:
Don't try to do too big an area at once.
Try sneaking up on it with a low opacity.
Try turning on/off the check boxes for aligned & use all layers. Sometimes you need to use all the cloning tools just to clean up one area.

EDIT: Free Layer Mask Tool for Photoshop Elements (external link)


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Oct 18, 2007 11:51 |  #8

Some backgrounds we considered after I shot Jim's '68 AMX:

Some shots of Jim's '68 AMX

In the 2nd pic, you can also see some of the retouching I did in the side, hood, windows, and bumper.


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Oct 18, 2007 18:27 as a reply to  @ PhotosGuy's post |  #9

I can honestly say I have never seen a plug in for photoshop more powerful and time saving than this one:
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for hair, leaves and really difficult things to select this is a MACHINE!


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Oct 18, 2007 20:00 |  #10

Pricey devil, isn't it? Probably worth it to a graphics professional though.


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Oct 19, 2007 14:37 |  #11

Thanks for the tips Frank, I always appreciate them, I really like the final versions of your cars!


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Oct 19, 2007 20:55 |  #12

Just trying to shorten the learning curve, Jeff, but thanks anyway.


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Nov 23, 2008 09:31 |  #13

Around 2002 I borrowed some line drawings from a friend & played around in GIMP. These are simple stuff, basically added gradients using Layer Masks.
Just to fill in the hole at lower right, I included an idea for a T-shirt.


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So, Layer Masks are powerful things to work with, & I encourage you to get friendly with them.

Pros use them extensively, as you can see here:
Porsche Bloodlines--Behind the Scenes (external link) - 7 videos on retouching interior & exteriors, with more to come.

David Martin (I think!) As one of Fi’s Senior Designers, I will share some behind the scenes videos that I created. The focus is on the retouching of the images for the site. With my PSD files open, I will go deep into the layers to show the photographs before and after. Enjoy and let me know what you think.

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Nov 23, 2008 21:30 |  #14

I included an idea for a T-shirt

awesome!

Pros use them extensively, as you can see here:http://www.kontain.com​/fi/#entries/entry/936 (external link)
Porsche Bloodlines--Behind the Scenes - 7 videos on retouching interior & exteriors, with more to come.

thanks for the link, those vids where great to watch and learn!


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Nov 23, 2008 21:34 |  #15

Cool tutorial.




  
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