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Pizza Separators vs. The Speedotron Beauty Dish

 
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Feb 24, 2010 16:57 |  #1

Curious, huh? We're going to talk about a simple mod to the very popular Speedotron 22" beauty dish that will decrease its native softboxiness and enhance its beauty dishiness.

One criticism of the Speedotron dish is that its standard central diffusion disk allows so much light to pass that the dish behaves more like a softbox than like a classic beauty dish. To address this undesirable characteristic, some have had custom opaque plastic disks fabricated, covered the diffusion material (which, by the way, is Rosco Tough Frost) with aluminum foil, or, in the case of Elinchrom users, removed the central deflector entirely, replacing it with a solid Elinchrom deflector. Here's another approach.

First, let's address the nasty paper fasteners. I don't know why, but they've always bothered me. Speedotron uses three common brass paper fasteners to attach the central deflector/diffusion disk to the beauty dish. It's an effective solution but, if you're planning to swap deflectors on occasion, they're a bit of a pain. So, for starters, let's get rid of the fasteners.

To do this, all we need are three 3/8" long #8 machine screws, three #8 knurled brass nuts, and a few dollops of a suitable adhesive (I used J-B Kwik which is the quick-setting version of J-B Weld).

Remove the paper fasteners and central diffusion disk. To make things easy and avoid excessive aggravation, also remove the underlying metal ring that sits on the three spacer posts. On the under side of the ring spread a small amount of J-B Kwik around the holes where the paper fasteners were and then insert the three #8 screws from the under side being VERY careful not to get any of the J-B Kwik in the screw threads.

Once the J-B Kwik has set (which will only take about 5 minutes), reattach the ring to the spacer posts. This is what you now have:

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Now the standard diffusion disk can be secured in place using the knurled nuts:

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And the dish returned to operational status:

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Okay, so we've gotten rid of the paper fasteners but haven't accomplished our mission of making the Speedotron act more like a BD than like softbox. Here's how we do that.

What makes this particular mod work is that the diameter disk required to alter the performance characteristics of the dish is just a hair under 8":

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Now where can we find pre-cut 8" disks suitable for this application? Time's up. The answer is food service suppliers. It turns out that something called a "pizza separator" is the perfect solution. Pizza separators, which are nothing more than aluminum disks, are available in a range of diamters including 8". For this experiment, I ordered solid, perforated, and super-perforated 8" pizza separators from www.instawares.com (external link). They're cheap at something like $2.89 or so each. Here's what the brown truck brought me:

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If you look very closely at the edge of the super-perforated disk (lower right), you'll notice three small notches. These had to be filed to allow the disk to fit within the three retaining screws on the Speedotron dish. Here's a better look:

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So, armed with these three disks, we can now get six different looks out of the Speedotron dish: 1-Standard Rosco Tough Frost diffuser, 2-Solid deflector, 3-Perforated deflector, 4-Perforated deflector with Tough Frost overlay, 5-Super-perforated deflector, 6-Super-perforated deflector with Tough Frost overlay.

Here's the dish with the solid 8" aluminum pizza separator in place:

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This configuration, as you'd expect, gives the most beauty dish like light. Here are all of the available configurations viewed from the front:

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I'd call this mod simple, cheap, and effective. If you have a Speedotron dish, get yourself some pizza separators.

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Feb 24, 2010 17:23 |  #2

Man your king of the Speedo mods....
The solid one looks like the ticket. I've pretty extensively tested the perforated diffusers and prefer the solid by a land slide. I'm interested in your opinion after you get to play with Speedopizzeria.


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Feb 24, 2010 17:58 |  #3

How ingenious of you, Dave! :)

So, where are the sample images comparing the results from the different deflectors? ;)


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Feb 24, 2010 18:13 as a reply to  @ PacAce's post |  #4

Very nice mod Dave. As you know, I'm one of the Elinchrom users that removed the Speedotron mount and I use the Elinchrom deflectors. I like your mod a lot but for my tastes, I discovered that I don't like that large a deflector. As a matter of fact, when I did use the Elinchrom Maxi deflector I didn't like it as much as the Mini.


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Feb 24, 2010 18:17 |  #5

What? No test is complete w/o using it on human guinea pigs... :-)


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Feb 24, 2010 18:23 as a reply to  @ kenyee's post |  #6

I wonder if we're going to see a test image with Wilbur. :D


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Feb 24, 2010 18:29 |  #7

TMR Design wrote in post #9676014 (external link)
I wonder if we're going to see a test image with Wilbur. :D

I'm currently in negotiations with Wilbur's agent for a session, Rob.

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Feb 24, 2010 18:32 |  #8

tetrode wrote in post #9676066 (external link)
I'm currently in negotiations with Wilbur's agent for a session, Rob.

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LOLOLOL Priceless, Dave.


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Feb 24, 2010 18:33 |  #9

LOL... That's awesome


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Feb 24, 2010 18:35 |  #10

No way Wilbur will get the job. I hear Harry's agent is a lot more aggressive, and gets all the top jobs!

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Of course, the pay has to be adequate, and the shoot scheduled somewhere warm... Hawaii or Bermuda, otherwise Harry won't even get out of bed!

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I think all the fame has gone to his head... :D

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Feb 24, 2010 18:38 as a reply to  @ Rudi's post |  #11

Rudi, that last shot is a killer!


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Feb 24, 2010 18:40 |  #12

tetrode wrote in post #9676066 (external link)
I'm currently in negotiations with Wilbur's agent for a session, Rob.

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LOL Is that Krypto, the super dog? So what's with the black patches on his head? Did he get too close to red Kryptonite or something? LOL :lol: ;)


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Feb 24, 2010 18:59 |  #13

TMR Design wrote in post #9675944 (external link)
Very nice mod Dave. As you know, I'm one of the Elinchrom users that removed the Speedotron mount and I use the Elinchrom deflectors. I like your mod a lot but for my tastes, I discovered that I don't like that large a deflector. As a matter of fact, when I did use the Elinchrom Maxi deflector I didn't like it as much as the Mini.

What's the diameter of the mini vs. the maxi? Also what didn't you like about the larger deflector?




  
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Feb 24, 2010 18:59 |  #14

Nice Mod!!!


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Feb 24, 2010 19:02 |  #15

TMR Design wrote in post #9676132 (external link)
Rudi, that last shot is a killer!

Thanks Rob! Not hard to find him in that position - I think he suffers from vertigo! ;)

P.S. Sleeping has always been one of his favourite activities, even when he was a puppy. Spot the impostor:

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Poor Dave! We keep dragging his thread off-topic! :)

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