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Mini-Review of 7D vs 40D (IQ, ISO 3200)

 
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Mar 06, 2010 10:51 |  #1

Okay, since we still have so many threads on 7D comparisons to other bodies, I figured since I did a high ISO comparison of my old 50D to the 7D last year before I sold the 50D, I would do another comparison of the 7D, this time to the 40D I am about to sell. (maybe I should keep it?! :) )

This time, I didn't concentrate on high ISO so much. Instead, I tried to pick a scene that had fairly high DR with lots of colors. I went both ways with each comparison, I resized the 7D down to the 40D, and resized the 40D up to the 7D.

You can see all photos (original sizes accessible) in my 7D vs 40D Gallery (external link).

Here are the conditions of the IQ test:
- ISO 400
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- High ISO noise reduction off on both
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- Same picture style settings
- Post processing in CS3, autolevel and USM, same values in all cases (even though the 7D requires a bit more than the 40D to get the most IQ)

I then set the ISO to 3200 and shot a colorful scene in low light so you could compare both.

My impressions are that the 7D does wonderfully well consider the large boost in resolution, and even though you could resize your 40D images to the 7D resolution, details obviously get muddied. ISO performance at 3200 is also better, and the gap grows past ISO 3200. The 40D is no slouch though either and really, as stated in other threads, you buy the 7D more for its feature set (video, wireless flash, better LCD, larger vf), AF improvements, weather sealing, and high ISO performance more than IQ. That being said, the IQ is better with the 7D, and the colors seem more realistic, so you win there too.

In any case, these are my opinions. I will post a few samples below, and you can review them here, or look in the gallery for all the pixel peeping glory you want!

Here is the general scene, as seen by the 40D and 7D sensors, then some comparisons below that.

IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-versus-40D/40dooc18pct/803537766_JQc8E-O.jpg
IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-versus-40D/7dooc18pct/803537933_BYfA5-O.jpg

IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-versus-40D/7dvs40d/803537827_eNw9R-O-2.jpg

ISO 3200 crops, first 40D vs 7D resized to 40D, then 7D vs 40D sized to 7D
IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-versus-40D/40dooc3200crop/803550326_6PU8n-O.jpg
IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-versus-40D/7dooc3200crop40d/803550352_P4Eby-O.jpg

IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-versus-40D/7dooc3200crop/803550341_2wv8N-O.jpg
IMAGE: http://teamspeed.smugmug.com/Electronics/7D-versus-40D/40dooc3200crop7d/803550353_NAhtj-O.jpg

I hope you enjoy this, it should create some interesting debate!

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Mar 06, 2010 11:18 |  #2

Your 40D performed more admirably than my copy. Banding patterns became more than a nuisance at 3200 on mine.


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Mar 06, 2010 12:25 |  #3

The 50D I used for the 50D vs 7D review was like that. This is showing that tendency though, look at the last image, you can see the red bands. I don't know what it is about the reds and Canon sensors...

EDIT: I have developed 3 levels of noise reduction actions for my 7D. I decided to run my aggressive action against each image, then resize the 40D up to the 7D res, top is 40D.


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Mar 06, 2010 13:56 |  #4

Great comparisons, thanks for posting. Great idea to resize both ways, hadn't thought about that (I also pick a neutral middle size but I prefer your approach).


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Mar 06, 2010 14:19 |  #5

Nice comparison, thanks.

jwcdds wrote in post #9740545 (external link)
Your 40D performed more admirably than my copy. Banding patterns became more than a nuisance at 3200 on mine.

Actually, it probably depends on the light you were shooting in.


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Mar 06, 2010 14:22 |  #6

bacchanal wrote in post #9741338 (external link)
Actually, it probably depends on the light you were shooting in.

Indeed! My 40D is great at 3200 when properly exposed to the right but you can't plan on pushing 3200 up to 6400 or 12800 in PP, it will band badly. I'm still not sure if it is better to push 1600 or use 3200, as 3200 is in-camera software gain I think.


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Mar 06, 2010 14:27 |  #7

bacchanal wrote in post #9741338 (external link)
Nice comparison, thanks.

Actually, it probably depends on the light you were shooting in.

Probably. But I rarely bump up the ISO in decent light, so naturally, I'll be shooting in low, challenging light. And my 40D was deplorable for that. I rarely shot above 800 with the 40D. I'm shooting regularly at 3200 now with the 7D and would not hesitate to crank up to 6400 if need be. :)


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Mar 06, 2010 14:37 |  #8

Well, in all fairness...

hpulley wrote in post #9741349 (external link)
Indeed! My 40D is great at 3200 when properly exposed to the right but you can't plan on pushing 3200 up to 6400 or 12800 in PP, it will band badly. I'm still not sure if it is better to push 1600 or use 3200, as 3200 is in-camera software gain I think.

My 40D does gorgeous ISO 5000ec, with the appropriate optics, though:

http://www.pbase.com …ge/114171611/or​iginal.jpg (external link)


And it does it with no fancy raw-converter, no exotic RAW-to-RGB math, etc... It starts from Canon's own ZB/RIT, and it comes bundled for free.


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Mar 06, 2010 15:33 |  #9

Thanks for the tip, ZB is ZoomBrowser, but RIT is? Sorry for being dense.


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Mar 06, 2010 15:40 |  #10

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Thanks for the tip, ZB is ZoomBrowser, but RIT is? Sorry for being dense.

It is the prior Canon Raw Image Task (raw processor). No longer available for the newer raw formats from the 7D and probably the 50D? Now you have to use DPP, I believe Canon is phasing out ZB and RIT as of the last few body releases.


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Mar 06, 2010 16:10 |  #11

That's too bad about ZB. I found it a quick way to look at RAW images from a shoot.




  
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Mar 06, 2010 17:52 |  #12

They just released a new version of ZB yesterday:

http://www.usa.canon.c​om …egoryid=314&mod​elid=18385 (external link)


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Mar 06, 2010 21:08 |  #13

That image is impressive. Can't wait to get my 40D in the mail!!

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My 40D does gorgeous ISO 5000ec, with the appropriate optics, though:

http://www.pbase.com …ge/114171611/or​iginal.jpg (external link)


And it does it with no fancy raw-converter, no exotic RAW-to-RGB math, etc... It starts from Canon's own ZB/RIT, and it comes bundled for free.


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Mar 07, 2010 11:18 |  #14

Thanks for the link and info!

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They just released a new version of ZB yesterday:

http://www.usa.canon.c​om …egoryid=314&mod​elid=18385 (external link)




  
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Apr 06, 2010 20:11 |  #15

PIXmantra wrote in post #9741421 (external link)
My 40D does gorgeous ISO 5000ec, with the appropriate optics, though:

http://www.pbase.com …ge/114171611/or​iginal.jpg (external link)


And it does it with no fancy raw-converter, no exotic RAW-to-RGB math, etc... It starts from Canon's own ZB/RIT, and it comes bundled for free.


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Could you give a quick rundown of your work process for that image from camera to the final output? I shoot fast action on my 40D and at this stage anything including or above 1600 iso gives me so much noise it's pretty much a useless picture. You have a lot of dark areas in that picture I'd expect to be filled with noise and it simply isn't there...


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