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Mar 07, 2010 02:02 |  #1

I have a silly question .. I have been a hobbyist for a few years now. I was recently asked to participate in a photography exhibit (my very first!) with six other photographers and seven of my shots are now on exhibit at a library for the month of March. Last night was our opening, which was a pretty awesome experience -- afterwards, one of my photographer friends kidded me that I can now call myself a pro. Is that all it takes to go pro (having your art exhibited) or are you considered a pro only if you are in business to sell your work? Just curious -- thanks for any clarification!


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Mar 07, 2010 02:04 |  #2
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Subjective definition, just depends on how you define it. No real right or wrong answer :)

Professional is someone who claims 51% of their income from photo, doesn't mean they're any good or not just in business of selling their professional services. I think that's crap though, I judge it by quality of work.


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Mar 07, 2010 02:08 |  #3

IIRC a profesional sports player is someone who gets paid for playing sport. Therefore a professional photographer is someone who gets paid for taking photographs. Obviously Canon think it's down to the gear you own with 2 pro bodies and 3 L lenses to join CPS.


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Mar 07, 2010 02:10 as a reply to  @ Karl Johnston's post |  #4

Hey Carla, congrats on the exhibition :D

As to definitions, I'm kinda with Karl:
Really, who gives a crap?!?!
"Pro" is such a subjective term, which has been beaten to death in here plenty of times.
I don't derive 51% of my income from photography, but my clients call me a "pro". Personally, I couldn't care less, as long as they're happy, I'm happy, and still loving what I do.

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Mar 07, 2010 02:20 |  #5
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Congrats on the exhibit :) too


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Mar 07, 2010 02:34 |  #6

Karl Johnston wrote in post #9744403 (external link)
Subjective definition, just depends on how you define it. No real right or wrong answer :)

Professional is someone who claims 51% of their income from photo, doesn't mean they're any good or not just in business of selling their professional services. I think that's crap though, I judge it by quality of work.

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IIRC a profesional sports player is someone who gets paid for playing sport. Therefore a professional photographer is someone who gets paid for taking photographs. Obviously Canon think it's down to the gear you own with 2 pro bodies and 3 L lenses to join CPS.

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Hey Carla, congrats on the exhibition :D

As to definitions, I'm kinda with Karl:
Really, who gives a crap?!?!
"Pro" is such a subjective term, which has been beaten to death in here plenty of times.
I don't derive 51% of my income from photography, but my clients call me a "pro". Personally, I couldn't care less, as long as they're happy, I'm happy, and still loving what I do.

Later, hun!

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Congrats on the exhibit :) too

I agree with all of you -- your explanations make sense. I do photography because I enjoy it and don't really have any aspirations of going into business, so the fact that I love it is all that matters. Simon, Karl .. thanks so much!

Here's my post that shows the photos I have on exhibit .. I hope you all enjoy!

https://photography-on-the.net …php?p=9741512#p​ost9741512


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Mar 07, 2010 02:38 |  #7
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People call me a pro, but...I don't consider myself a pro photographer, though, I do consider myself a full time artist. Confusin' innit?

A lot of photographers don't call themselves artists. I guess it's just whatever floats your boat.


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Mar 07, 2010 02:42 |  #8
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Why get lost in the identity of it? I like your work. It's good. Show as much as you want. Sell as much as you want. Have fun with it.




  
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Mar 07, 2010 02:46 |  #9

Karl Johnston wrote in post #9744492 (external link)
People call me a pro, but...I don't consider myself a pro photographer, though, I do consider myself a full time artist. Confusin' innit?

A lot of photographers don't call themselves artists. I guess it's just whatever floats your boat.

I can relate to what you say .. as my photography skills improve, I am getting more comfortable with considering myself a photographer as well as an artist. I don't need to be a "pro" to enjoy my craft :o)


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Mar 07, 2010 03:06 |  #10

Van Gough didn't make a living on his paintings, so would you categorize him as a hobbyist? ;)




  
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Mar 07, 2010 03:17 |  #11

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Van Gough didn't make a living on his paintings, so would you categorize him as a hobbyist? ;)

Good point .. the funny part is .. I've noticed that if you're out taking photos with a DSLR with a decently big lens, very often people just assume you're a "pro" because of your gear  :p


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Mar 07, 2010 03:21 |  #12

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Why get lost in the identity of it? I like your work. It's good. Show as much as you want. Sell as much as you want. Have fun with it.

Thanks, jetcode .. I am having fun and will continue to have fun whether or not I show or sell .. it's all good!


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Mar 07, 2010 10:17 |  #13

I consider "pro" means you do whatever job as your profession and hence are a professional "blank". (fill in the blank). Just showing your work does not make one a professional photographer. And others have rules that if you make 51% or more of your income from photography, then you are considered in the "professional" category.




  
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Mar 07, 2010 10:41 |  #14

HappySnapper90 wrote in post #9745679 (external link)
I consider "pro" means you do whatever job as your profession and hence are a professional "blank". (fill in the blank). Just showing your work does not make one a professional photographer. And others have rules that if you make 51% or more of your income from photography, then you are considered in the "professional" category.

Of course, most governments that tax income aren't concerned about the percentage, just the money. Generally, if you're doing business taking pictures to make a profit, the entities that really count--i.e. the ones who can make your life truly miserable--will consider you "professional" and then judge whether you're a "good professional" or a "bad professional."

The industry itself will tend not to have categories of "good professional" or "bad professional," but will attempt to define "professional" in a way to exclude completely the "bad professional" category. They will say, "Unless he meets these standards, he's not a professional at all." However, it's seldom that anyone outside the industry cares, unless the government (which is the entity that matters) colludes with the industry to require a licensing standard maintained by that industry. In that case, it's still really the government's opinion that matters.

This "professional" debate can get even sillier in some areas other than photography. In the military, a brand new 2nd lieutenant right out of the academy is considered a "professional soldier" while a 30-year command master sergeant who has been through numerous wars and campaigns is not considered a "professional soldier." That is truly bizarre thinking.


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Mar 07, 2010 13:45 |  #15

Van Gogh was like Karl, an artist! ;)

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Van Gough didn't make a living on his paintings, so would you categorize him as a hobbyist? ;)



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