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Mar 08, 2010 05:55 |  #1

i do enjoy getting out shooting the birds, but I'm getting very upset with the way things are turning out... I'm shooting with a 100-400L 5.6 on a 20D...

I've got 2 problems if anyone could offer any help I would be most grateful.

1). The Ospray was backlit.. and I was in a place where I couldn't move .. is there anything i could have done to get a better shot are is it? Fill flash was out of the question.. he was way to far off for that..

2). The Egret.. nothing is sharp.. and I had the camera on a tripod.. this is what is really worring me.. my shots aren't as sharp as I would like.. I if can fix this the backlit thing I want worry about... it's really the sharpness that's really got me upset.. I've tried M focus but I can't tell when it's in focus using that so...

Thanks for any help..


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Mar 08, 2010 06:51 |  #2

I'm kinda new myself so probably won't be much help but the ones who can help you are going to need the data: FL, speed, aperature setting ISO etc etc


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Mar 08, 2010 07:29 |  #3

Very few lenses are going to be sharp at those distances. The dust pump is not known for being the sharpest lens to start with. If it's really sharp at 30 feet, then your doing good.

For backlighting, you have to <over> expose by a couple or three tics. That allows the shaded side to expose more, but it will blow out the brighter background. You just can't have it both ways.


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Mar 08, 2010 07:41 |  #4

Looking at the EXIF for the first one, 1/640th, F13, Manual, ISO 200. I would probably open up the aperture to about F7.1 and increase the ISO to 400, which would allow you to increase the shutter speed, which would help if there was any movement with the bird and allow more light in. It's a difficult shot with the backlight. As Mitch says above, underexposing will also help.

On the second one, 1/100th, F20, Manual, ISO200. Again if the birds were moving any (and they do tend to, even when sitting "still") you might want to look at increasing the shutter speed by opening up the aperture and the ISO. The only other thing I can think of is that you were just too far away.

When you put the camera on the tripod, do you take the lens off IS? That's something else that can often cause a problem if you leave it on.

Hope that helps, I'm no expert, but I'm sure there are others on here who have more knowledge :D


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Mar 08, 2010 07:52 |  #5

I was told to get closer with my 100-400. That really helps. Micro adjust is crucial. Make sure it is absolutely right. Use a yard stick and a taget, Find a micro adjust setting were the front and back focus averages as close as possible to correct. I struggled with it a very long time. Yesterday I finally got it right. What a difference! Also aperture is vital. Mine shoots sharpest at f/8-f/9. It was maddening due to my lack of experience, but after 100s of attempts I can do it in my sleep. Make sure to do the adjustment in good light with a good bit of distance between the camers and the target. There is an amazing difference when you find the correct setting. I had almost given up. I had stopped one number short. Be meticulous. Good luck.




  
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Mar 08, 2010 09:03 |  #6

William,

The osprey is a good shot, it just needs to be 'overexposed' more, to give it more light, and like what has already been said, it will blow out the background, but that's how it is...
That happens to even the best photographers, overcast days or shooting against the sun will give you 'not so good' results.

The egret shot is pretty typical of what you'll get at that distance, plus, you have the 100-400mm L, if it's all the way out, that lens can be 'not so sharp', and I understand that, I also have it, and the best thing you can do is to bring it back some at 'around' 350mm or so.
I know, it's hard to do since you spent so much money on that long lens, but at the long end, it gets soft, so you have to do what you have to do.
What I would do is to have someone stand at around 100 yards away from you, (focus on their eyes) take a shot, have them move closer to you to around 25 yards, then closer at 10 yard increments, and so on, then see what you have, you will start to see it sharpen up more as you get closer, which is expected.
(Alternatively, you could have someone hold a piece of white cardboard with some writing, in black marker, then move up in increments)
You can do that many ways, but that is the quickest, and you won't have to move, have your camera on a tripod, and as what was already said, make sure your IS is off on the lens, that stills tries to correct the image by using it's motor, you don't want that.

Realistically though, I wouldn't expect a lot of details in a bird over 20 yards though, and that's under good conditions, at least for mine anyway.

The egret shot really looks pretty good though at that distance, I know it's not perfect for the money you spent, but from what I understand, all of the elements in the zoom lenses make it not as good as the 400mm L, but we do have the option of zooming, if that helps. :)

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Mar 08, 2010 09:11 |  #7

Looks like you already got Good advice, Keep Shooting it really gets easier after the first several thousand!!:lol::lol::lol:


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Mar 08, 2010 09:13 |  #8

thanks for all the help... i feel much better about things now.. when i get home this afternoon i'll work what you'll have told me...again thanks for the comments and help.. wm


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Mar 08, 2010 10:13 |  #9

I agree with a lot of the comments. I was disappointed at first too, but get reading here and taking shots and it started to get better. I'm probably just a stage in front of you as far as figuring it out so don't give my advice as much weight as some of the others though. But don't be discouraged, your shots will get better. I have to remind myself that some times the light just isn't right for bird shots and I switch to something else.

As far as focusing, one thing that has helped me for the non-bird in flight shots is to just use the center focus point and put it on the head of the bird if I can or the body if it is a long shot. I also switch to spot metering which I have found helps with shots like your first one. That way it meters on the subject only. Yes, it may make a mess of the background, but your are more likely to get the light on the subject correct. I also will take several shots with different settings if the subject stays around. Then I figure out what worked and what didn't when I get back home.

Good lighting and a close subject will make all the difference in the world though.


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