Approve the Cookies
This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and our Privacy Policy.
OK
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Guest
Forums  •   • New posts  •   • RTAT  •   • 'Best of'  •   • Gallery  •   • Gear
Register to forums    Log in

 
FORUMS Community Talk, Chatter & Stuff General Photography Talk 
Thread started 14 Mar 2010 (Sunday) 20:17
Search threadPrev/next
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

How do you set / shoot white balance ?

 
90blackcrx
Senior Member
985 posts
Joined Sep 2006
     
Mar 14, 2010 20:17 |  #1

So basically I noticed that the way I use to shoot for white balance is no good when shooting in multiply rooms, with multiply lighting situations. I use to shoot a close up of a the gray card, then set that in camera. So later in the day when I moved to a different room, I shot a picture with the grey card in the back round, this seems like an easier thing to do an setup.

My questions is, what should I be shooting in though if I don't set that grey card in my camera, does it not really matter because I'll be changing it when editing the pictures ? I understand how to use it, but more curious what you guys are doing for average every day situations.

Any tips, or suggestions I'm open to. I'm also using DPP to edit photos and relized everything I click on click white balance and before I use the eye dropper, it seems to already set the picture to the correct white balance. I'm gonna read the instructions on how to use that, but figured if anyone wanted to comment on that.

And please forgive the noob questions, still learning and want to learn more to get better.


Canon 40d
Lens
18-55mm F/3.5-5.6,Nifty 50,17-70 3.2 sigma marco wide angle lens
Accessories
Battery Grip,Hand Grip,Wire and Wireless remote

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
kingdaddy
Senior Member
Avatar
396 posts
Likes: 1
Joined Feb 2009
Location: Fort Worth
     
Mar 14, 2010 20:49 |  #2

I shoot in Auto and correct the RAW image in post.


6D | 7D | XSI | EF-S 10-22 | EF 50 1.4 | EF 24-105L | 100-400L │ EF-100mm Macro| MT-24EX │580 EXII | Black Rapid RS-5 | lots of Think Tank.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
PhotosGuy
Cream of the Crop, R.I.P.
Avatar
75,941 posts
Gallery: 8 photos
Likes: 2611
Joined Feb 2004
Location: Middle of Michigan
     
Mar 14, 2010 21:50 |  #3

does it not really matter because I'll be changing it when editing the pictures ?

Waiting to adjust WB after shooting RAW may be a mistake in some situations. Curtis N found that a blown red channel is a problem:
How NOT to expose to the right


FrankC - 20D, RAW, Manual everything...
Classic Carz, Racing, Air Show, Flowers.
Find the light... A few Car Lighting Tips, and MOVE YOUR FEET!
Have you thought about making your own book? // Need an exposure crutch?
New Image Size Limits: Image must not exceed 1600 pixels on any side.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
nicksan
Man I Like to Fart
Avatar
24,738 posts
Likes: 53
Joined Oct 2006
Location: NYC
     
Mar 14, 2010 21:55 |  #4

Whenever I use my WhiBal card, I will set the in-camera WB to something constant (ie not AWB). Doesn't matter which one. Just pick one. I shoot a reference shot and if the lighting changes, I'll shoot another reference shot for that. Then I will batch correct in post.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
SOK
Goldmember
Avatar
1,592 posts
Likes: 2
Joined Jun 2008
Location: Gold Coast, Australia
     
Mar 15, 2010 03:47 |  #5

PhotosGuy wrote in post #9797217 (external link)
Waiting to adjust WB after shooting RAW may be a mistake in some situations. Curtis N found that a blown red channel is a problem:
How NOT to expose to the right

Very true.

Funny how things have come along though...RGB histograms are much more common now and more of us can easily spot hot red channels...back in '05 (when that thread was started), they obviously weren't as common!


Steve
SOK Images - Wedding and Event Photography Gold Coast (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
tzalman
Fatal attraction.
Avatar
13,497 posts
Likes: 213
Joined Apr 2005
Location: Gesher Haziv, Israel
     
Mar 15, 2010 05:54 |  #6

I'm also using DPP to edit photos and relized everything I click on click white balance and before I use the eye dropper, it seems to already set the picture to the correct white balance. I'm gonna read the instructions on how to use that, but figured if anyone wanted to comment on that.

The Click WB is "sticky". It is remembered until you change it using the eyedropper, even if DPP has been closed. And as soon as you activate the eyedropper the old setting is applied , so if the previous time was in lighting fairly similar to the current shot, the old WB might look pretty good.


Elie / אלי

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
SkipD
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
20,476 posts
Likes: 165
Joined Dec 2002
Location: Southeastern WI, USA
     
Mar 15, 2010 06:54 |  #7

If you use a grey (NOT white) reference card, it can be placed in the scene for a test shot without worrying about blowing out anything. I do that all the time, using the same exposure settings that I use for the whole series of images.

I shoot in RAW mode and use an "eyedropper" tool to sample the grey card in the test shot during the RAW conversion process. I might tweak the colors a little bit manually to suit my taste for the image. Then, I transfer the resulting color temperature and tint numbers to the rest of the images in the series in a single batch conversion procedure. This process is extremely effective for the results and very efficient relative to the time spent for white balance correction.


Skip Douglas
A few cameras and over 50 years behind them .....
..... but still learning all the time.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
90blackcrx
THREAD ­ STARTER
Senior Member
985 posts
Joined Sep 2006
     
Mar 15, 2010 14:09 |  #8

SkipD wrote in post #9798973 (external link)
If you use a grey (NOT white) reference card, it can be placed in the scene for a test shot without worrying about blowing out anything. I do that all the time, using the same exposure settings that I use for the whole series of images.

I shoot in RAW mode and use an "eyedropper" tool to sample the grey card in the test shot during the RAW conversion process. I might tweak the colors a little bit manually to suit my taste for the image. Then, I transfer the resulting color temperature and tint numbers to the rest of the images in the series in a single batch conversion procedure. This process is extremely effective for the results and very efficient relative to the time spent for white balance correction.

This makes the most sense to me now, after shooting multi rooms/lighting. During shooting though what do you set the white balance to on the camera ?


Canon 40d
Lens
18-55mm F/3.5-5.6,Nifty 50,17-70 3.2 sigma marco wide angle lens
Accessories
Battery Grip,Hand Grip,Wire and Wireless remote

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
SkipD
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
20,476 posts
Likes: 165
Joined Dec 2002
Location: Southeastern WI, USA
     
Mar 15, 2010 15:02 |  #9

90blackcrx wrote in post #9801402 (external link)
This makes the most sense to me now, after shooting multi rooms/lighting. During shooting though what do you set the white balance to on the camera ?

Because I shoot in RAW mode, it really makes no difference what the white balance setting on the camera is. However, I always make my best guess as to what the lighting type is and set the camera's white balance setting for that because I actually shoot in "RAW Plus Large JPG" and I would like the .JPG files to look reasonably good to use a proofs.


Skip Douglas
A few cameras and over 50 years behind them .....
..... but still learning all the time.

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
nicksan
Man I Like to Fart
Avatar
24,738 posts
Likes: 53
Joined Oct 2006
Location: NYC
     
Mar 15, 2010 15:10 |  #10

90blackcrx wrote in post #9801402 (external link)
This makes the most sense to me now, after shooting multi rooms/lighting. During shooting though what do you set the white balance to on the camera ?

As already eluded to, it really doesn't matter since you have a reference shot of the gray card you can use to correct the entire series.

That said, I would set it to anything other than AWB. The idea is to keep a constant color temperature throughout the series. I would set it to something that is the closest to the type of lighting. Think about it. If you are in AWB and take a reference shot of the gray card, having the gray card in the frame may actually affect AWB. So once you take the card away, you might get slightly different AWB settings. The ideal is to have the same WB settings between your reference shot and the rest of the shots under the same lighting conditions.




  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
pcj
Goldmember
Avatar
1,037 posts
Joined Jan 2010
Location: Templeton, MA
     
Mar 16, 2010 08:44 |  #11

I tend to folow SkipD's method.

I carry a gray card around with me (need a new one - any recommendations?), and drop it in frame for a test shot when the light changes. I leave my camera in AWB, unless I'm studio shooting, when I switch to Flash (only because I tend to show the models the shoots, and it helps if it looks 1/2 decent on the LCD)

When I download the pics, I use the white balance dropper in Aperture to pick up the gray card, then copy that across the batch. If I miss a shot with the gray card, I will look for something white, or close to white (the whites of an eye can work) and use that as a *start* to correct the WB.


7D (gripped) | GoPro Hero HD | Canon 70-200mm f/4 L | Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 | 40mm f/2.8 | 85mm f/1.8 | 28mm f/1.8 | 3 * 600EX-RT - All gear
http://www.rt2photo.co​m (external link)
http://www.facebook.co​m/rt2photo (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
neilwood32
Cream of the Crop
Avatar
6,231 posts
Likes: 5
Joined Sep 2007
Location: Sitting atop the castle, Edinburgh, Scotland
     
Mar 16, 2010 11:52 |  #12

If you have time to shoot a grey card on the day (just prior to your shoot as lighting might change), then do it.

Otherwise, shoot RAW, expose properly, correct the WB and you are good to go.

If its a fairly fast moving scenario, I know what I would do.


Having a camera makes you no more a photographer than having a hammer and some nails makes you a carpenter - Claude Adams
Keep calm and carry a camera!
My Gear

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
asysin2leads
I'm kissing arse
Avatar
6,329 posts
Likes: 3
Joined Dec 2006
Location: Lebanon, OH
     
Mar 16, 2010 12:12 as a reply to  @ neilwood32's post |  #13

Take a look at the link in my signature. Some find it helpful, others don't. There are a lot of WB tools on the market. Pick one that best suits you.


Kevin
https://www.google.com ….com&ctz=Americ​a/New_York (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
Pigelin
Hatchling
6 posts
Joined Jan 2010
     
Mar 17, 2010 11:37 |  #14

How much does a grey card cost?


---------------
Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film. - Stephen Wright
Gear: EOS 500D, Canon 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS, Canon 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
pcj
Goldmember
Avatar
1,037 posts
Joined Jan 2010
Location: Templeton, MA
     
Mar 17, 2010 11:54 |  #15

Pigelin wrote in post #9815044 (external link)
How much does a grey card cost?

How much do you have? :)

They can be very cheap (I have a $5 piece of board version), or expensive, collapsable fabric closer to $100)


7D (gripped) | GoPro Hero HD | Canon 70-200mm f/4 L | Tamron 28-75mm f/2.8 | 40mm f/2.8 | 85mm f/1.8 | 28mm f/1.8 | 3 * 600EX-RT - All gear
http://www.rt2photo.co​m (external link)
http://www.facebook.co​m/rt2photo (external link)

  
  LOG IN TO REPLY
sponsored links (only for non-logged)

1,718 views & 0 likes for this thread, 12 members have posted to it.
How do you set / shoot white balance ?
FORUMS Community Talk, Chatter & Stuff General Photography Talk 
AAA
x 1600
y 1600

Jump to forum...   •  Rules   •  Forums   •  New posts   •  RTAT   •  'Best of'   •  Gallery   •  Gear   •  Reviews   •  Member list   •  Polls   •  Image rules   •  Search   •  Password reset   •  Home

Not a member yet?
Register to forums
Registered members may log in to forums and access all the features: full search, image upload, follow forums, own gear list and ratings, likes, more forums, private messaging, thread follow, notifications, own gallery, all settings, view hosted photos, own reviews, see more and do more... and all is free. Don't be a stranger - register now and start posting!


COOKIES DISCLAIMER: This website uses cookies to improve your user experience. By using this site, you agree to our use of cookies and to our privacy policy.
Privacy policy and cookie usage info.


POWERED BY AMASS forum software 2.58forum software
version 2.58 /
code and design
by Pekka Saarinen ©
for photography-on-the.net

Latest registered member was a spammer, and banned as such!
2783 guests, 160 members online
Simultaneous users record so far is 15,144, that happened on Nov 22, 2018

Photography-on-the.net Digital Photography Forums is the website for photographers and all who love great photos, camera and post processing techniques, gear talk, discussion and sharing. Professionals, hobbyists, newbies and those who don't even own a camera -- all are welcome regardless of skill, favourite brand, gear, gender or age. Registering and usage is free.