WARNING SPIDER HOLSTER USERS!!!!!!!!

lannes wrote in post #9837069
As a precaution you could leave the camera strap on and loosely wear it diagonally across the body. This should still give you the functionality of the spider holster and the extra protection of the strap.

the whole point of a holster is for people who DON'T use straps. If part of the holster failed, IMHO that company should pay for the replacement of the damaged pieces. If it's user error it's on you. But then someone has to prove something for that to matter.

I'd hope someone who owns a 1 series, 5Dii and some Ls has insurance though right? Call them and get them to handle this for you. Good luck!

jacobsen1 wrote in post #9855836
the whole point of a holster is for people who DON'T use straps. If part of the holster failed, IMHO that company should pay for the replacement of the damaged pieces. If it's user error it's on you. But then someone has to prove something for that to matter.

I'd hope someone who owns a 1 series, 5Dii and some Ls has insurance though right? Call them and get them to handle this for you. Good luck!

Well you better tether the cam somehow otherwise it's going to take a plunge sooner or later.
One point tethers work well even with a MK-3 with the 70-200 f/2.8 on it.

I bought the whole system recently in case I want to use it on the 5D. But for now I'm only using the holster + pin on a GF1, and I'm loving it! The holster is pretty well thought out, though I did do the always-lock mod on it for the added piece of mind. I'm curious what the new belt buckle will be like.

I cringed when I read about your mishap AlanU. Hope you will get the issue resolved soon.

blackhawk wrote in post #9856883
Well you better tether the cam somehow otherwise it's going to take a plunge sooner or later.
One point tethers work well even with a MK-3 with the 70-200 f/2.8 on it.

so do you back up your back up with another back up then? Strap buckles fail as well you know...

seriously, this is EXACTLY what insurance is for. If a buckle fails either in design or construction that's NOT photographer error. If it IS photographer error (missing the holster, dropping something etc) then you're covered as well. What's the point of a QR system if it's not QR? Should I add a tether to my camera when it's on my tripod as well just in case the clamp opens there too?

Insurance has so many loopholes, deductibles, etc., it'd hardly be worthwhile paying the premiums or making a claim and facing an increase in those premiums for a repair that could potentially cost upwards of $500.

As to the maker of the item being responsible, even if you prove it, most if not all warranties exclude consequential damages and only cover replacement of the defective part.

In this case, if the maker of the Spyder steps up to the plate and offers to foot the repair, that'd be the best possible outcome. Often times the manufacturer, through later testing after an item comes to market, or through user reports, realizes this is a possibility and wants to make it right: by upgrading the suspect piece and/or paying for repair.

I know I and many others would hold the maker of Spyder in very high esteem if he does that. I'm sure the OP will let us know.

Mark

Franko515 wrote in post #9851532
I dont think the weight of a 5D and 70-200 would cause me to walk sideways (like I need a V8)

Placing the weight lower on my body would in fact make my quads and hams kick in to support the weight, lessing the strain on my back. No matter what the solution my back will have to help some (you use the back muscles for damn near everything).

If you know of a better option Im all ear though

My pain level is a constant 4/5 now and I fear this is the best i am gonna feel, so I need any help I can get.

sorry for the OT post, I think Im gonna start a new thread for my back problems and solutions or suggestions on switching up some of my gear.

One comment on this. I have had slingbags (my current carrier in fact), backpacks, and many different types of waistbags.

My personal experience, and obviously YMMV, is belt packs, holsters, do not take the weight off the back. They may take the weight off the shoulders, but they weigh heavily on the hips and long outings with them will quickly tire out the low back and entire hip girdle.

After years of long, long walks/hikes, both in the mountains and canyons of Manhattan/NYC, I'm now liking my Black Rapid Strap more than anything else I've used. It somehow makes my camera (D3) feel weightless.

mark

MDJAK wrote in post #9860356
One comment on this. I have had slingbags (my current carrier in fact), backpacks, and many different types of waistbags.

My personal experience, and obviously YMMV, is belt packs, holsters, do not take the weight off the back. They may take the weight off the shoulders, but they weigh heavily on the hips and long outings with them will quickly tire out the low back and entire hip girdle.

After years of long, long walks/hikes, both in the mountains and canyons of Manhattan/NYC, I'm now liking my Black Rapid Strap more than anything else I've used. It somehow makes my camera (D3) feel weightless.

mark

Really, HMMMMMM I may have to go back and take a look at the Black Rapid or Sun Strap.

I was hoping to get the Spider Holster to eliminate back pain

MDJAK wrote in post #9860340
Insurance has so many loopholes, deductibles, etc., it'd hardly be worthwhile paying the premiums or making a claim and facing an increase in those premiums for a repair that could potentially cost upwards of $500.

not sure who you have for insurance. I have USAA. I have over $10k in gear on the policy and it costs me <$150 PER YEAR. When my 5Dii was destroyed I paid no one cent to get the check to cover it. So yeah, insurance FTW.

If you need a holster, I'd suggest a cotton carrier maybe? I've been using one since they shipped and love it. It's bigger, but I haven't heard of any issues other than the screw on the "button" getting loose which IS user error really. Before that I'd tried the black rapid strap, op-techs (I actually SELL them for my forum) and other DIY options. In the end having crap on the camera body got it PULLED places more often than it was a good thing to have for me.

YMMV.

jacobsen1 wrote in post #9860323
so do you back up your back up with another back up then? Strap buckles fail as well you know...

seriously, this is EXACTLY what insurance is for. If a buckle fails either in design or construction that's NOT photographer error. If it IS photographer error (missing the holster, dropping something etc) then you're covered as well. What's the point of a QR system if it's not QR? Should I add a tether to my camera when it's on my tripod as well just in case the clamp opens there too?

The tether is a stretch cam strap with quick releases that are inspected and replaced yearly or at any sign of wear.
Ever have a tripod tip? They do, and when it happens... you'll recall this silly little discussion.
No tether, no strap means that cam and/or lense are gonna get it...

Insurance? please... that wouldn't find the misaligned optics, damaged electronics, or save you the aggravation of screwing up a perfectly good (and formerly accurate and reliable) cam and/or lens for no good reason whatsoever.

blackhawk wrote in post #9864472
The tether is a stretch cam strap with quick releases that are inspected and replaced yearly or at any sign of wear.
Ever have a tripod tip? They do, and when it happens... you'll recall this silly little discussion.
No tether, no strap means that cam and/or lense are gonna get it...

Insurance? please... that wouldn't find the misaligned optics, damaged electronics, or save you the aggravation of screwing up a perfectly good (and formerly accurate and reliable) cam and/or lens for no good reason whatsoever.

wait, so how am I supposed to tether my tripod exactly? It's called being careful. I've been shooting with SLRs for well over 15 years and I've only killed one ONCE and guess what, insurance had me a check for it's full replacement value within 48 hours into my checking account. So please don't tell me about being careful, or how insurance works. When **** happens (and I don't care how careful you are, IT WILL) you'll want the insurance ON TOP OF your tethers. I happen to skip the tethers and go with being careful and then having insurance back me up. But I guess I've just been really lucky in the last 15 years of shooting w/o dropping anything?

*knocks wood*

And in case you want to know HOW I ruined the one camera I did... Water damage. We were shooting landscapes during a hurricane. The rock I went out on didn't get wet in the 1.5 hours we were there prior OR the hour we were there after. I'd also been there the day before and the rock was dry then too. We're talking a ~20' tall rock. But the ~5 minutes I was on it? yeah, that's when the ONE wave that got it wet came. Oh well, but I'm glad I had insurance and not just a tether. Mother nature always knows.

I can't even believe someone is arguing against insurance who in the same breath is telling someone else to be careful with their gear. We're both worried about the same thing, dropping or breaking a camera right? Insurances costs soooo little (<$150/year for ~$10k in coverage with no deductibles). Why not have it as well. And yes I already hear you saying the same thing about tethers, they're cheap and can save a fall right? Sure, but they can also slow me down, and I can't tell you how many times I've had someone or something hook a strap and almost pull a camera off a table or something else. I've been keeping my camera on the floor for years for that reason. The only time I tether my camera to me is when I'm climbing something and need my hands to hold on as well. Shots like this:
http://benjacobsenphot​o.com …llery/scapes/10​1_1856.jpg

jacobsen1 wrote in post #9867566
wait, so how am I supposed to tether my tripod exactly? It's called being careful. I've been shooting with SLRs for well over 15 years and I've only killed one ONCE and guess what, insurance had me a check for it's full replacement value within 48 hours into my checking account. So please don't tell me about being careful, or how insurance works. When **** happens (and I don't care how careful you are, IT WILL) you'll want the insurance ON TOP OF your tethers. I happen to skip the tethers and go with being careful and then having insurance back me up. But I guess I've just been really lucky in the last 15 years of shooting w/o dropping anything?

*knocks wood*

And in case you want to know HOW I ruined the one camera I did... Water damage. We were shooting landscapes during a hurricane. The rock I went out on didn't get wet in the 1.5 hours we were there prior OR the hour we were there after. I'd also been there the day before and the rock was dry then too. We're talking a ~20' tall rock. But the ~5 minutes I was on it? yeah, that's when the ONE wave that got it wet came. Oh well, but I'm glad I had insurance and not just a tether. Mother nature always knows.

I can't even believe someone is arguing against insurance who in the same breath is telling someone else to be careful with their gear. We're both worried about the same thing, dropping or breaking a camera right? Insurances costs soooo little (<$150/year for ~$10k in coverage with no deductibles). Why not have it as well. And yes I already hear you saying the same thing about tethers, they're cheap and can save a fall right? Sure, but they can also slow me down, and I can't tell you how many times I've had someone or something hook a strap and almost pull a camera off a table or something else. I've been keeping my camera on the floor for years for that reason. The only time I tether my camera to me is when I'm climbing something and need my hands to hold on as well. Shots like this:
http://benjacobsenphot​o.com …llery/scapes/10​1_1856.jpg

It's impossible to predict what will happen in the field and the be fully prepared for it; that's what insurance is for.
Gravity, that's what the tethers are for.
Repairs easily become drawn out, bad affairs...


One trashed cam is enough for me to keep if tethered even on the tripod... and always while hand holding. Never dropped a cam while shooting, cleaning is a different story. Lense changing is another higher risk action... tethers save equipment.

Sorry, but I think a clip released, high dollar cam with no tether (or even with a tether), no padding, and having it ride on the hip is just a plain bad idea.
Great for gun slingers, but tough on high end optics...

Personally, I think its a design flaw to have the 'quick release' as a method; by which the device does not lock. I've gotten in the habit of putting my left hand over the belt and pulling up with the right to hear the 'click' to make sure its locked.

Aside from that, I love mine.

In my limited experience with the Spider, I've been using it unlocked at all times. It's actually quite difficult to dislodge the cam by accident; you have to rotate it out from your body first, and then pull up. Just pushing up will jam it into the holster; sometimes I've wished it was actually easier to release.

Have you guys seen this yet? I just got this in an email with the Subject "Spider Buckle Replacement".

http://maildart.awpny.​com …0DAA1852BF6A1C8​7C670A6B9F

^ Yeah, I just got that email also. New belts for everyone.