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Jul 09, 2005 23:12 |  #1

I took some interior room shots in RAW and they looked a bit dark so I played with them in the Canon supplied software. OK... Im just a beginner so I was not expecting miricales.

Then I downloaded the Raw Shooter to see if it was better and looked at the same RAW images. WOW!!! They looked like pure images, not dak at all. Pristeen and light, without all the dark shadows. These images looked closer to what I saw with my eye, very strange to me...

Whats happening - why is there a difference before I even start to alter the files?

And all these settings in the camer such as :white balance: processing parametres etc - seems they can be changed in the RAW software, which suggests to me that you dont need to bother to much about the settings in the actual camera menu, just alter it in the software?

I thought I had grasped RAW basics but now I'm confused.

(I would include the images but im still trying to learn how to do it)


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Jul 09, 2005 23:17 |  #2

You can also change exposure, level, WB, etc in DPP as well. And if you lke RSE, you should try PhaseOne C1 Pro IMO its the best out there.




  
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Jul 09, 2005 23:21 |  #3

syburn wrote:
(I would include the images but im still trying to learn how to do it)

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Jul 09, 2005 23:43 |  #4

I've heard other people talking about that.
How does it compare with the built in RAW software in Photoshop? To me, that's my preference until anybody else tells me otherwise.


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Jul 10, 2005 00:12 |  #5

I came here to post the exact same thing!!!

Two things...

1.) From this borad, I've learned and have had my eyes open to switch to shooting RAW all the time now.

2.) RAWShooter product ROCKED! My brother and sister in law had their twins on Thursday. I went to see them Friday night. Not wanting to use the flash (it's not good from what I hear for newborns eyes) I snapped a bunch of pictures. They looked OK, but were kind of dark. Download RAWShooter and BAM! My pictures look awesome! THANK YOU ALL for guiding me down this path.

Disclosure: While I do have PS7 and Elements 2, I found that RAWShooter was easy to use and supurb in claning up my pictures. Now I'm no expert, so please don't flame me if you could obtain similiar results in PS. My point was RAWShooter turned out excellent pictures with a ver easy to follow interface.

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Jul 10, 2005 08:01 |  #6

Hmm............ I saw my RAW images in RAWshooter and the look light and nice as I said, but when I try to convert them, they just go back to the darker images that I first saw in the Canon Raw Edit software.

Why is that? How can I keep the lighter Raw images from RAWshooter?

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Jul 10, 2005 08:31 |  #7

I've used the free version.

It produces only 8 bit output.

Hence, any advantage it has is outweighed by this limitation.




  
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Jul 10, 2005 08:34 as a reply to  @ mwinog2777's post |  #8

Oh so the free version will not allow me to achieve the look of the image I see in the Rawshooter screen.

Ohhhhh....Are all free softwares like this?


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Jul 10, 2005 09:51 as a reply to  @ syburn's post |  #9

syburn wrote:
Oh so the free version will not allow me to achieve the look of the image I see in the Rawshooter screen.

Ohhhhh....Are all free softwares like this?

Two issues:
1. The lack of 16 bit output will impact your ability to make adjustments to the image when using PS or another product. It shouldn't have anything to do with what it looks like on the screen when you look at it immediately. Generally, you get what you pay for, and a free demo is just that, its not the full product.

2. I don't have your problem; looks pretty much what it should once converted. But, will stick to 16 bit conversion programs.




  
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Jul 10, 2005 10:16 |  #10

I have just used the other software (Phase One Pro 3.7) that can convert to Tiff 16bit and it is the same situation. In the RAW software my interior shots are bright but after it has been converted it looks dark. I dont understand why I cant just convert exactly what I see on the Raw software? Why is it altering the final image (or to lokk at it another way - Why is it making the raw image seem so bright and clear?)

Help meeeee. I'm I crap or what?


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Jul 10, 2005 10:51 |  #11

Rawshooter 1.1.3 does allow 16 bit, and I'm pretty sure the first free version I used did also. It is a great program, especially if you are working on a file or two at a time. I actually prefer it over PSCS2. I do use both, but if I'm in a hurry I usually use this program.

Don't have an answer for the image changes you experience, I have not had this problem.


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Jul 10, 2005 11:09 |  #12

syburn:
I think we need to clear up some little misunderstandings with RAW. RAW is merely "RAW" information from your cameras sensor. There is NO image there. The program you are using decifers the image information to give you a preview of what the RAW file will look like. When the program adjusts the preview of a RAW file it/you do not save the changes to the RAW file information, but merely adds what they call a sidecar file (XMP) in the same or different folder for that image that tells the program what settings you have choosen, so every time you open that RAW image in that program it will preview it with those settings. These changes do not become reality until you save the image to a different format i.e. JPEG, TIFF.

Next issue.. All those initial "bright" RSE images you saw were the auto presets determined by RSE for your camera. When you convert and save to jpeg you will have that look, but not until as explained above.


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Jul 10, 2005 11:36 as a reply to  @ tumb's post |  #13

tumb wrote:
Rawshooter 1.1.3 does allow 16 bit, and I'm pretty sure the first free version I used did also. It is a great program, especially if you are working on a file or two at a time. I actually prefer it over PSCS2. I do use both, but if I'm in a hurry I usually use this program.

Don't have an answer for the image changes you experience, I have not had this problem.

I have 1.1.3 free version; only 8 bit.




  
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Jul 10, 2005 11:43 |  #14

Mine does 16 bits also. You have to select it from the pull down list.


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Jul 10, 2005 11:49 |  #15

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