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Jul 10, 2005 11:53 |  #16

I see that 16 bit is only saved in Tiff , Jpeg will only do 8 bit.


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Jul 10, 2005 17:48 |  #17

Mine also does 16 bit. Then again, I have been saving them in TIFF format. I then brought them into Photoshop and converted them over to JPG (8 bit, most of the processing options would not work with 16 bit).

As for darkness... Just to make sure, you are sending them to be batch processed and then running the batch, right? If so, I can't help you. If not, like me my first few attempts, you need to make sure to mark them for batch processing which converts them into 16 bit TIFF files. Just under 50 MB files too!

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Jul 10, 2005 18:40 as a reply to  @ post 647278 |  #18

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I have just used the other software (Phase One Pro 3.7) that can convert to Tiff 16bit and it is the same situation. In the RAW software my interior shots are bright but after it has been converted it looks dark. I dont understand why I cant just convert exactly what I see on the Raw software? Why is it altering the final image (or to lokk at it another way - Why is it making the raw image seem so bright and clear?)

Help meeeee. I'm I crap or what?

I am having the exact same problem. Determined that Raw shooter displays in a brighter more saturated mode on screen, and then when converted becomes less saturated. Pase One gives me a more magenta output than what it displays before conversion. I can't figuere out what is going on.


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Jul 10, 2005 19:23 as a reply to  @ Sathi's post |  #19

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I am having the exact same problem. Determined that Raw shooter displays in a brighter more saturated mode on screen, and then when converted becomes less saturated. Pase One gives me a more magenta output than what it displays before conversion. I can't figuere out what is going on.

Yes - I understand one of the previous helpfull explainations, but It is hard know what settings to play with when your final Tiff iamge does not look like the RAW display.

Actualy the Canon RAW software did show the RAW looking as the TIFF does, so I find these other softwares a bit deceiving.

All I want to know is if the RAW software shows the image looking one way, once converted it should look that same way. just lower quality etc.

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Jul 10, 2005 19:44 |  #20

Simon, what you see at 100% view in RSE is what you should get in your TIFF if you made sure all the setting chosen were transfered to the TIFF in conversion. Be sure that the drop down menu does not say "Save As Shot" in your conversion.

Seems to be a color/saturation issue if the image is viewed at less then 92%. See other thread for that info.


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Jul 11, 2005 08:19 as a reply to  @ Sathi's post |  #21

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I am having the exact same problem. Determined that Raw shooter displays in a brighter more saturated mode on screen, and then when converted becomes less saturated. Pase One gives me a more magenta output than what it displays before conversion. I can't figuere out what is going on.

Are you saving as sRGB from RSE rather than AdobeRGB?
AdobeRGB will look flatter when viewed using an winXP picture/fax viewer or a web page.

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Jul 11, 2005 08:22 |  #22

Oh i seem to be closer to solving the above mystery of the differing colours in RAW and converted files.


I think its the colour management in both Photoshop and my Raw software.

I never have bothered setting the colour management - maybe thats why. So now i need to see how to do that.........so many hurdles to cross.

Its it easy to Colour Manage??

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Jul 11, 2005 08:29 as a reply to  @ syburn's post |  #23

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Oh i seem to be closer to solving the above mystery of the differing colours in RAW and converted files.


I think its the colour management in both Photoshop and my Raw software.

I never have bothered setting the colour management - maybe thats why. So now i need to see how to do that.........so many hurdles to cross.

Its it easy to Colour Manage??

Simon

its taken me a while to figure this out but what ive found is that if you want to view the pics on screen, say on a webpage or just by double clicking on a file in windows then the working space should be sRGB to save to from RSE. if you are going to then put it into PS then the recomended profile is AdobeRGB.
If when you go to convert your RAW file you look at the histogram at the bottom when you change colour space's you will see the histogram change as well, showing which colours are getting boosted or cut.
Ill leave it to someone more experianced to tell you how to set up PS

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Jul 11, 2005 08:37 as a reply to  @ syburn's post |  #24

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Its it easy to Colour Manage??

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Jul 11, 2005 09:19 |  #25

Yep, it can be very confusing and I'm still not sure I understand it all. I've settled on a workflow that I came to more by trial-and-error than anything else.


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Jul 11, 2005 09:56 |  #26

Yes the colour does look flat and quite bright. Strange thing is, when RSE first shows the RAW files in the slide show at the top, they were normal (dark) then like half a second later they all were automaticaly changed to the bright washed out look.

Then when I messed around and turned off colour management they looked darkish again. Then when convert to tiff and view in PS thet are also darkish.

So I think the washed out look is just a setting, maybe I have my color settings all wrong so they looked washed out.

Oh its hard to explain and hard to understand myself. Simon


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Jul 11, 2005 09:59 |  #27

I think I need to manage my colour settings but I only want to make sure each software shows the image in the same way. I dont print from my PC. Only view on monitor and post on the web.

Does that mean its a simpler process to do the colour management, like once for all the applications to share?


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Jul 11, 2005 10:14 as a reply to  @ syburn's post |  #28

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I think I need to manage my colour settings but I only want to make sure each software shows the image in the same way. I dont print from my PC. Only view on monitor and post on the web.

Does that mean its a simpler process to do the colour management, like once for all the applications to share?

I could be wrong here but i think you should set everything to sRGB including your output from RSE and it should look the same when viewed on your pc and on the web.
You may need to set proof view in PS to windows but again ill leave that for an expert to deal with.
I use C1 and was getting the same problem, looked great in C1 but flat when i uploaded to smugmg. i ended up changing the convert to destination colour space to sRGB and all was fine.
hope this helps

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Jul 11, 2005 10:35 |  #29

haha - i cant look at my monitor now, i have set monitor to sRGB, and everything is washed out and white. Only way seems to set monitor to standard settings. Or Rebel 350D settings but its a bit dark....hmmmmm my eyes are tired


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Jul 11, 2005 11:44 as a reply to  @ syburn's post |  #30

Here are a few links that will help. Don't try to soak it all up in one read, there are a lot of opinions out there but using these as a guide and a little trial & error it will finally start to gel (many of these I got from this forum by the way):

http://www.drycreekpho​to.com/Learn/monitor_c​alibration.htm (external link)

http://photoshopnews.c​om …ding-prophoto-rgb-update/ (external link)

http://photoshopnews.c​om …raw-perfecting-the-image/ (external link)

http://www.fredmiranda​.com/forum/topic/21421​7 (external link)

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/techniqu​es/process.shtml (external link)

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorial​s/colour_theory.shtml (external link)

http://www.luminous-landscape.com …s/monitor_profi​ling.shtml (external link)

http://photoshopnews.c​om …right-when-soft-proofing/ (external link)


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