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Mar 25, 2010 16:26 | #1

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I've tried getting help over on Dgrin for Smugmug but getting nowhere, so I'm posting here.

When my page is viewed with Explorer, it's all good. Looks great. When my page is viewed with Firefox the text is double or even triple spaced and looks horrible! I've used multiple different text to html generators to fix this and am getting nowhere. I've even tired Mozilla's SeaMonkey to generate the HTML, and SeaMonkey double and triple spaces the text! Grrrrr. I'd be more than willing to correct it with CSS, but like I said, I'm getting no where over on Dgrin and am just running in circles with my Google searches. It seems to be a known fact that Firefox does this yet there are no fixes for it?

Anyone have a clue why Firefox cannot read text? or how to fix it? :confused:

Is there an html generator that Firefox CAN read correctly?

I am stumped.

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Mar 25, 2010 16:59 | #2

You have this,

It was another chilly day in Kenosha but with spring comes
more 
bike racing and we had lots of great action today! 
 
The highlight of today's action was Velo Trocadero's total control of
the 
Pro 1/2 race. Today's race was visibly quicker than lastweek's with
much more aggression and lots of counter moves. None of the early
breaks were able to getÂ much distance until Velo Trocadero sent
Tim Pacholski off by himself and used their three other riders to
control the reaction.

Remove the

from in between. That is adding an additional line.

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Mar 25, 2010 17:22 | #3

Thanks for the reply.

Here's the current code:

 It was another chilly day
in Kenosha but with spring comes more bike racing and we had lots of great
action today! The highlight of today's action was Velo Trocadero's total
control of the Pro 1/2 race. Today's race was visibly quicker than
lastweek's with much more aggression and lots of counter moves. None of the
early breaks were able to get much distance until Velo Trocadero sent Tim
Pacholski off by himself and used their three other riders to control the
reaction. 

Here's the view:

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Hows that. Good enough?

Not.

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Mar 25, 2010 17:23 | #4

This is not a Firefox issue, this is a demonstration of the hopelessly poor quality of html generated by automatic tools. Your time would be far better spent learning a bit of html and fixing or rewriting it directly, rather than hunting for a "tool" that will work with Firefox.

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Mar 25, 2010 17:32 | #5

Your code is junk. Hell you have Head, Title, and Meta tags in the body. You need to strip all the ****e out of it and then see how it performs, it's no wonder that looks messy.

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Mar 25, 2010 17:42 | #6

Okay, my fault, I should have explained all this ahead of time ... been there, done that!

I've just stripped out the Meta tags and all that. Starts and ends in <html> ... </html>.

Looks the same.

Understand, I'm trying to sell photos, I spend my time taking photos, uploading photos. I don't have time to hand code html every day when I need to change this page. Everything was fine last season, but now we're xxx generations beyond that old Firefox and the world has changed and my site looks horrible!

Suggestions on how I can get Firefox compliant html without writing the whole darn thing out by hand?

OR how this can be fixed with CSS? I'm going in circles over at Dgrin too. :confused:

Your comments are appreciated, I'm just 3 days into frustration over this.

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Mar 25, 2010 17:46 | #7

Well show us a link of what you do have and have done to correct it.

Does smugmug not offer you a way to update it like a blog? If not then a wordpress blog for updates would make your life easier as you'd skin it once and then just post updates.

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Mar 25, 2010 17:59 | #8

Here's the discussion over there: http://dgrin.com …php?p=1356016#post1356016

I have Googled this and Googled this and there seems to be a running problem with Firefox displaying text with double spacing, yet there is no one way of fixing it, nor can I find a solution to my problem.

To me, this seems like a simple task - post text with photos. Yet it's an impossible task in the Firefox world.

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Mar 25, 2010 18:15 | #9

You still haven't stripped the crap out of it you have needless <big>etc tags in there that are screwing it up. You also left in the body tags which probably weren't helping.

Here's what it looks like with all the crap ripped out (and possibly a few too many s) http://www.thesoundlab.co.uk/misc/www.peloton-pix.com.htm It's clearly not a Firefox issue it's definitely the code. It does the same thing in Konqueror and probably will in Chrome and Safari too. Scruffy code will almost always cause issues.

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Mar 25, 2010 18:27 | #10

I believe I mentioned this, but I will not have time to hand code this page day after day when I'm on the road shooting.

What if I started with different parameters when starting up the html?

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Mar 25, 2010 18:35 | #11

That wouldn't make a difference. The automatically generated code you are pasting in is pure crap and is what is causing the issue. All I did was strip all the rubbish tags out of it. If you get a blog all you have to do is type in the text and it does all the conversion work for you, dead easy. You could probably integrate a blog into smugmug, I'm assuming some of the other users must do, but even if you can't you can have a simple part at the top of the page with a link to your blog for people to go there to keep updated on what you are up to.

No offence, but this is kind of the case in point of why when you don't know what you are doing it can pay to hire a pro.

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Mar 25, 2010 18:39 | #12

Ha Ha.

Well, I was able to do this all last summer and it came out fine. Since then browsers as well as the Smugmug system have gone through multiple generations of 'improvements' and now it looks horrible. The methods I used last year are no longer working.

Thanks for the help, I've still got some hair left on my head, I'll just continue to pull the rest out.

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Mar 25, 2010 20:10 as a reply to @ Biffbradford's post | #13

Sorry, I don't know what to say except try to start with a blank slate as the code is very bad right now.

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Mar 25, 2010 20:15 | #14

Well, I'm trying Mozilla's 'Kompozer' and I think I can work with it. It doesn't look as nice as Coffee Cup, but at least I'm getting more than four lines of text per screen. I've got some "test" text up on the homepage now.

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Mar 25, 2010 20:35 | #15

It's been a few months but I remember this problem.

I believe that I removed the br from the 
Like this </>

Below is your code with the br removed from the trailing slash. Copy it to your site and see if that fix's it. Can't make any promises but I think this might be the problem.

<body>

<div align="left">(Views best in Internet Explorer - don't   ask me why!</>
  I'm trying some different code tonight so bear with   me)</>
  </>
  <strong>Kenosha</strong> <strong>Spring</>
  </strong><strong>Criterium #2</strong> </>
  </>

  It was another chilly day   in Kenosha but with spring comes more </>
  bike racing and we had lots of great   action today!</>
  The highlight of today's action was Velo Trocadero's total   control of the </>
  Pro 1/2 race. Today's race was visibly quicker than   lastweek's with much more aggression and lots of counter moves. None of the   early breaks were able to get much distance until Velo Trocadero sent Tim   Pacholski off by himself and used their three other riders to control the   reaction.</>
  <img alt="" src="http://www.peloton-pix.com/Road-Racing/2010-Kenosha-Spring-Criterium/PPIX0167/815816798_R4F2n-M.jpg" width="326" height="361" /></>
  A second Trocadero rider was sent off in pursuit for a   1-2 finish, but he wasn't able to make contact with Pacholski and was eventually   reeled back in.</>

  <img alt="" src="http://www.peloton-pix.com/Road-Racing/2010-Kenosha-Spring-Criterium/PPIX0184/815815697_hAL4f-M.jpg" width="563" height="450" /></>
  With one lap to go Velo Trocadero was on the point   pushing the pace ...</>
  </>
  <img alt="" src="http://www.peloton-pix.com/Road-Racing/2010-Kenosha-Spring-Criterium/PPIX0211/815813852_ctEA9-M.jpg" /></>
  </>
  ...   but in the field sprint it was Chaz Martin taking it for second place </>
  (he   also won the Junior race in the morning).</>

  </>
  <img alt="" src="http://www.peloton-pix.com/Road-Racing/2010-Kenosha-Spring-Criterium/PPIX0252/815828512_BQPME-M.jpg" width="600" height="400" /></>
  </>
  And KING of the day was Tim Pacholski of Velo   Trocadero!</>
  </>
  <img alt="" src="http://www.peloton-pix.com/Road-Racing/2010-Kenosha-Spring-Criterium/PPIX0227/815797309_X9oQZ-L-1.jpg" width="400" height="600" /></>
  </>
  <img alt="" src="http://www.peloton-pix.com/Road-Racing/2010-Kenosha-Spring-Criterium/PPIX0234/815799091_c8E29-L-1.jpg" /></>

  </>
  Well   done!</>
  </>
  Gallery is <a href="http://www.peloton-pix.com/Road-Racing/2010-Kenosha-Spring-Criterium/11579372_zhynV">HERE</>
  </a></>
  </>
  Also watch   for the blow by blow of all the afternoon</>

  races over at your source for news   and information </>
  in the midwest cycling scene: <a href="http://www.pelotonstar.com">Peloton   Star </a></>
  <br />
  Season Opener! </>
  </>
  Good turnout with good weather on the first race of the year.<br />

  I'll   have all of today's pix posted by Monday evening (probably earlier).</>
  </>
  <img alt="luke seaman kenosha ABR Criterium" src="http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc54/biffbradford/cycling/test.jpg" /></>
  </>
  I got to test out a new (to me) camera which should</>
  give us   sharper images that we got last season. In addition,</>
  I've got some more   surprises to share as well, so check</>

  back for that! </>
  </>
  So, the computer is cranking on todays pix right now,</>
  look   for them on Monday.</>
  </>
  <a href="http://www.peloton-pix.com/Road-Racing/2010-Kenosha-Spring-Crit-1/11515465_wPwPh#810536909_kTnxy">GALLERY</a></>
  </>

  - - - </>
</div>
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