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Oct 20, 2006 17:07 as a reply to  @ post 2146519 |  #61
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Those magnifications sound about right :)

Fear the dark side of macro, for it will consume your path :)

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Oct 24, 2006 10:19 |  #62

How to set up and shoot the reversed 50.....

I posted this on FM as I got a number of requests to explain how I get the results from my Reversed 50 set up and what settings I use.... I thought I would share it here so that anyone thinking about getting into it will have the info....Thanks I hope this is a help....Alex

First let me say I am no self proclaimed expert at this stuff but I have been getting a lot of requests to explain how I am using the reversed 50 set up....Most of us have seen outstanding Reversed 50 work and I, like the folks who are now showing an interest, decided I had to try it out... I have learned a few things a long the way, and this is to share what I have figured out while attempting to get good at it....My hope is that in sharing what I do to get the results I am achieving you will be smoking me shortly, and others who have success with it might throw in some useful tips that will help all of us improve..... My set up consists of a 70-200 f4 Canon lens with a reversed Nikkor 50mm f1.4. I made my own adapter to reverse mount the 50 but I don't recommend wasting the time as they are cheap to buy and I am sure more solid.... Here are 2 sites that sell the adapter ring sets and also have some more good info you should read........Both were posted here back some time ago...

http://www.kirkphoto.c​om/polarizers.html (external link)

http://www.camerafilte​rs.com/pages/macroring​s.aspx (external link)

You are connecting the 50mm and what ever main lens you are using, filter thread to filter thread by way of the rings from the above sites....

In shooting the rev 50 set up you must get the flash out to the front of the stacked lenses as working distance will usually be 1" or less. Needless to say a hot shoe mounted flash won't squeek in where the light needs to get with so little space....Sooo... Off camera flash adapter chord is a must and you will need a good flash bracket as well.... I am currently liking the Manfrotto macro flash bracket as it seems to have plenty of adjustment, though at times I wish it was a bit more rigid but it works fine...I also have 2 different flash units. 1 MT-24 and a basic 420 with Stofen diffuser. I just use the basic 420 on the bracket for the rev 50 setup because the MT needs to be rigged and I hate using tape to hold the flash head mount on which I have done but it sucks.. When hand holding your shots this will be what you want. When tripod shooting I usually remove the flash from the bracket and take 3 shots essentially bracketing by changing the flash angle and location to see what is most effective.... Focusing can be a real challenge because you are shooting in manual mode and that includes focusing..... (Be sure any auto focus function is turned off on your lenses). If hand holding indoors I usually have a good bright room light on.... If tripod shooting I will often times use a flashlight to illuminate the bug to hit "perfect" focus, and then turn it off and start shooting.... I assume some people use other means for all of this stuff, but I use as little as I can get away with
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The basic lens settings..

If you have a manual 50mm you will set the lens aperture wide open.. If auto, mount the lens to camera, turn the camera on and adjust aperture to wide open. Turn camera off and lens will remain at that setting... Remove lens and mount to main lens..... The aperture needs to be wide open to help reduce vignetting, and with lenses stacked it is a plus that it lets as much light in as possible
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. I have no experience shooting a prime lens as my main lens and so can only share my experience using the 70-200 zoom... My guess is any main lens that is capable of 65mm focal length or longer will work well for that up close and personal outcome..

I leave the 50 set up at infinity focus and never use it to focus... "Set it and forget it"... I use the focusing ring on the main lens occasionally but usually achieve focus moving the lens in and out. If I am using tripod I will use the focus ring if I am really close to focus and don't want to mess with moving the tripod as I don't use a focusing rail.... Main reason is bugs move and the less to fiddle with the better IMHO..

What I have found I really like about using a zoom lens for the primary lens is it allows you to frame the shots. 70mm gives a wider view and many times you can get a bug profile shot and get most or all of the bug in the frame. When you want to shoot for detail on an eye, a Midge, aphid, or some other dust speck size bug you can zoom right up to 200 and count the number of dingle berries if you are so inclined
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... The flash I leave set on ETTL, with High Speed Sync and it seems to adjust pretty well....

Typically I start with the following settings if hand holding... ISO 200, f11 and shutter speed 250. I take a couple of test shots to see how the exposure looks and adjust as need usually adjusting shutter speed, but not going below 160...If still under exposed I will take aperture down to f5.6, but keeping in mind the DOF gets reallllly thin at about that point.... Final step is jack the ISO if needed....The adjustments priority changes if DOF is a prime consideration...... You do need to experiment to find what works best for the shot you are going for.....I will shoot as high as f 29 with ISO cranked to 1600 if I want to shoot more depth than just a profile or a detailed surface shot but..... It will give some vignetting and the shot has to be cropped to get rid of it.....

Another critical thing I can think of is you need to pay close attention to the angle at which you are shooting at.... If you don't get the lens squared up to the bug you will have one part in perfect focus and the rest of the frame way out...Get squared up when possible.....A good way to practice in the beginning is to get bugs that don't move around much and set up a stage on a kitchen counter (Or whatever is handy) Get some leaves put them on a cup saucer, or Tupperware lid and place the bug out toward the edge.... You can get your rig dialed in fairly easily when you control the stage which with this set up you have a good chance that you will...Flash placement is also key to good shots....

When possible shoot with flash at different angles and distances.. Check the LCD screen when you can to see if you are looking pretty good..... I shoot Jpeg and don't use the histogram I just look to see if it is looking good, or if it doesn't. I hope this made sense and that it helps get others going on the fun of the Rev 50.....

Once you get the hang of the settings and basic technique it is very cool to see the detail on the reallllly small things.......If I have missed an important step or if anyone has tips to add to this post please feel free.........Take care....Alex



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Oct 28, 2006 06:47 as a reply to  @ Alex Paul's post |  #63

OK so I got my adapter rings yesterday, and decided to play around alittle bit.
Using my Sigma 70mm - 300mm lens I used my old Canon 28mm 2.8 FD lens
Opened up all the way.
this is the results of the magnification.
at 300mm had 2mm in the picture which according to calculations = 11.25 X
WOW :eek: now can you say really shallow depth of field.
So I figured lets see what else I can come up with
at 200mm had 3mm in the picture this = 7.5X
at 135mm had 4mm in the picture this = 5.625X
at 70mm had 6.25mm in the picture this = 3.6X
at this lower end of the scale get vignetting pretty bad, still need to crop the image.
The subject distance from the lens varied slightly but overall was between 1.5 inch to .5 inch

Dpastern
looking at the images below do they look about right for the magnification.
I have been wanting to get the Canon MPE 65mm but I have heard that it is not the macro lens to get first off, so after experimenting with the lens reversing technique I can see why. Shallow DOF, close subject distance. although the distinct advantage is the optics are really sharp on the MPE and there is no vignetting throughout the 1 - 5X magnification range, is this true?

Here are some example pics
Pic 1 Wife's anniversary ring

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Pic 2 Wife's anniversary ring partial crop of above image
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Pic 3 My Dive watch I think this is at 1X magnification uncropped (Just resized straight out of the camera)
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Pic 4 Dive watch 7.5 X magnification on the date uncropped (Just resized straight out of the camera)
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Pic 5 Dive watch date at 11.25 X magnification uncropped (just resized straight out of the camera)
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Pic 6 My .5mm mechanical pencil tip at 11.25X I appologise for the image quality but due to the magnification the depth of field is really really shallow, the only way I can see about over coming this is to focus stack, but it would still end up with at least 5 images to stack, and this is something that I am new to.
Also with 11X if you have to focus stack then this is obviously going to be useless in capturing bugs etc. definitely need focusing rails with this set up
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Oct 29, 2006 04:42 as a reply to  @ Samdiver74's post |  #64

Coca cola can diffuser?

Link to a make your own flash macro diffuser out of a couple of coke cans :)

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Oct 30, 2006 20:20 as a reply to  @ LordV's post |  #65

Okay I know this might sound really really really REALLY stupid..:oops: ((keep in mind I haven't read the whole thread)) but is it true that some cameras can zoom and take macro? Sorry for the stupid question:confused:


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Oct 31, 2006 08:32 |  #66

CP! wrote in post #2193021 (external link)
Okay I know this might sound really really really REALLY stupid..:oops: ((keep in mind I haven't read the whole thread)) but is it true that some cameras can zoom and take macro? Sorry for the stupid question:confused:

There arent any stupid questions - i assume most people use zoom when taking macro shots - point and shoot cameras usually have a certain amount of optical zoom and digital zoom - in my camera i go the maximum amount of optical zoom - digital zoom isent very useful at all really - its like enlarging your image in a graphics package ...




  
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Oct 31, 2006 09:00 |  #67

Okay I know this might sound really really really REALLY stupid.. ((keep in mind I haven't read the whole thread)) but is it true that some cameras can zoom and take macro? Sorry for the stupid question

My little Powerershot S500 has a "macro" mode. It isn't really 1:1, but it's pretty close and produces nice images. I bet your camera has this too. Look for a button labeled with a flower icon, or check the manual.



  
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Feb 09, 2007 07:56 |  #68

Alex Paul wrote in post #2162450 (external link)
How to set up and shoot the reversed 50.....

Alex
I just got my Delta flip flash bracket and had a play around with the reverse 50 Set-up late last night (after I recieved it I had to go upto Home depot and get some washers etc cause of the length of the Camera mount screw)
So far I have been able to get a couple of shots at 5X handheld, man it is tricky though, to say the least.
I think I'm going to get hooked on this now.

I'll do some more playing around with it later today.
What settings do you typically have set on the flash.

dpastern wrote in post #2147081 (external link)
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Thanks Dave I'm going to be consumed :)


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Mar 09, 2007 00:12 |  #69

Macro Techique Article by Dalantech

Posted here: http://www.dalantech.c​om …/showtopic.php?​tid/83636/ (external link)


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Mar 13, 2007 14:38 as a reply to  @ Dalantech's post |  #70

Animated Gifs

Tutorial on this here
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Mar 13, 2007 19:11 as a reply to  @ LordV's post |  #71

Brian
That is very cool, thank you


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Apr 12, 2007 06:20 |  #72

My blog (link in my signature) is where I post tips on shooting macro, and there is a menu on the side with any articles that I have on my web site.


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Apr 18, 2007 07:30 |  #73

Hello all,

I've just started in Macro and would like some links on identifying flora and fauna and within the kingdom of living things.

Anyone have any good links to post here?

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rammy wrote in post #3061870 (external link)
Hello all,

I've just started in Macro and would like some links on identifying flora and fauna and within the kingdom of living things.

Anyone have any good links to post here?

Thanks!

Quite a few on my links page (external link). Also there are some good reference books  (external link)that are not all expensive.


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May 19, 2007 12:07 |  #75

Lester Wareham wrote in post #3062431 (external link)
Quite a few on my links page (external link). Also there are some good reference books  (external link)that are not all expensive.

thanks for that links. just wanted to post the same question as rammy did.

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