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Apr 02, 2010 03:02 |  #1

I rarely plug specific s/w but, if you are looking for realistic tonemapping and exposure blending, do have a go at SNS-HDR http://www.sns-hdr.com/ (external link)

I do a lot of interior work and, thus far, this beats the socks off all other apps - Photomatix, Dynamic HDR, or Enblend/Enfuse. It allows me to retain detail in net curtains from the -5 stop shot and still bring back deep shadow elements like the carpet under tables.

Of all the apps I have used in the last 6 months, this and Topaz Adjust have stood head and shoulders above the rest. It could do with a Lightroom interface but the author is updating v.regularly to Iive in hope!

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Apr 02, 2010 05:45 |  #2

Please post some sample pics for us to see. Thanks.


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Apr 02, 2010 08:29 |  #3

CannedHeat wrote in post #9918494 (external link)
Please post some sample pics for us to see. Thanks.

A quick one I knocked up.

These are the 3 original exposures:

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And this is the result straight out of Enfure/Enblend via Lightroom and the SNS-HDR app. No extra processing or blending back in of the originals done. I'd normally do a bit more with them (or a lot more with the Enfuse one). For real world, I'd reduce the mid-tone contrast a bit more, blend a bit of the cushion back in and make everything pop a bit more.

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Apr 02, 2010 08:42 |  #4

CannedHeat wrote in post #9918494 (external link)
Please post some sample pics for us to see. Thanks.

And here is another with 2 mins post-processing to dodge the word Cafe. The original version took me 15 minutes to create.

I'd want to do a bit more but this is to show you the quality of the output; it needs contrast and some selective saturation before I'd give it out.

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And lastly, 0% post-processing, just a bit of sharpening for display.

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Apr 02, 2010 11:37 |  #5

I have also tried SNS-HDR and I liked it, but wouldn't say it is better than Enfuse/TuFuse exposure blending algorithm, it is just different (in Photomatix or Easy HDR etc.. I am not even interested).

I made a comparision between TuFuse (external link) with default parameters vs SNS-HDR Lite (external link) for HDR tone mapping.

To capture the entire dynamic range of the scene I used 5 shots 2EV apart:

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Just the central 3 shots could have been used. The outdoor highlights would have got blown a bit and the deep shadows would have become a bit less noisefree, but the final result would have been almost as good.

The RAW files were optimally fused using Zero Noise (external link). The gray tones in the following blending map indicate the source RAW used for every image area:

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The resulting image histogram reveals about 13,5EV of dynamic range (the highlights peak corresponds to the tungsten lamps and their reflections):

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Now to do the automated tone mapping, several replicas of the ZN image were fed into TuFuse and SNS-HDR Lite. The resulting image with default parameters was finished with a standard contrast curve:

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Both programs respected the colours of the initial image (which is good), SNS-HDR saturating a bit. However regarding local contrast TuFuse produced a more natural result while SNS-HDR obtained more texture where available, resulting a bit more unreal (I was there and I can say the floor tiles looked like those in the TuFuse image, even if one could prefer the more spectacular SNS-HDR's). In both lighting was kept reasonably natural, without producing visible inconsistencies like those usually found on Photomatix tone mapped images.

In conclusion I would say SNS-HDR provides a more finished and texturized image. If this is what you are looking for then it's OK. If you prefer an image in an earlier stage so that you can choose final contrast parameters or local processing, then I would prefer TuFuse.

Finally just a proof of the need of doing several shots to cover the entire dynamic range, showing the noise comparision between the most exposed shot that preserved the highlights and the final fused image:

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Apr 02, 2010 12:07 |  #6

_GUI_ wrote in post #9920054 (external link)
I have also tried SNS-HDR and I liked it, but wouldn't say it is better than Enfuse/TuFuse exposure blending algorithm, it is just different (in Photomatix or Easy HDR etc.. I am not even interested).

Tufuse is next on my try list. Looks like it is a bit more fiddly to get going. Any recommendations? Yours was not a direct comparison I suspect as it was ZeroNoise plus Tufuse - it looks an impressive combination.

Also, did you try v1.03? He is making changes quite rapidly and the newest edition provides better results.


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Apr 02, 2010 14:00 |  #7

bunyarra wrote in post #9920199 (external link)
Tufuse is next on my try list. Looks like it is a bit more fiddly to get going. Any recommendations? Yours was not a direct comparison I suspect as it was ZeroNoise plus Tufuse - it looks an impressive combination.

Also, did you try v1.03? He is making changes quite rapidly and the newest edition provides better results.

I just wanted to compare the tone mapping (or whatever we want to call them) capabilities of TuFuse vs SNS-HDR. So the fusion process was done in Zero Noise (which is so far the best for me), and I fed the same images both to TuFuse and SNS-HDR to find out which one performed better in the exposure blending.

I think TuFuse is almost the same as Enfuse, since they are based on the same algorithm.

I haven't been able to try any other SNS-HDR but the Lite version (with a small JPEG output).

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Apr 02, 2010 14:17 as a reply to  @ _GUI_'s post |  #8

So, you feed the original images into ZN and it does noise reduction, then feed the noise reduced images into SNS?

Those are some really great results that show the kind of HDR I would LIKE to get. I've been really unhappy with results I've been able to pull out of Photomatix.

Thanks for any info!


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Apr 02, 2010 14:29 |  #9

Snydremark wrote in post #9920943 (external link)
So, you feed the original images into ZN and it does noise reduction, then feed the noise reduced images into SNS?

Those are some really great results that show the kind of HDR I would LIKE to get. I've been really unhappy with results I've been able to pull out of Photomatix.

Actually Zero Noise is not needed at all here. Any HDR program will deliver noise reduction inherent to the process of picking the correctly exposed areas of the image.

I used ZN for the fusion process because I always do. In ZN I can manually edit ghosting and since I know how it internally works, I know I am taking noise reduction and sharpness to their best.

In this comparision, using ZN was also good to focus exclusively at how good TuFuse and SNS-HDR were in the tone mapping process alone.

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Apr 02, 2010 14:44 |  #10

_GUI_ wrote in post #9921003 (external link)
Actually Zero Noise is not needed at all here. Any HDR program will deliver noise reduction inherent to the process of picking the correctly exposed areas of the image.

I used ZN for the fusion process because I always do. In ZN I can manually edit ghosting and since I know how it internally works, I know I am taking noise reduction and sharpness to their best.

In this comparision, using ZN was also good to focus exclusively at how good TuFuse and SNS-HDR were in the tone mapping process alone.

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Sorry if I'm being slow here, the whole HDR thing is pretty new for me. So, just for comparison's sake on the library shots, you combined the 5 exposures in ZN, just so it was as clean as THAT part could be; and then output n number of exposure variations of that image to be combined in SNS and TuFuse to show how they compared just at tone mapping, rather than having variations in alignment and whatnot?


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Apr 02, 2010 17:21 |  #11

Snydremark wrote in post #9921084 (external link)
Sorry if I'm being slow here, the whole HDR thing is pretty new for me. So, just for comparison's sake on the library shots, you combined the 5 exposures in ZN, just so it was as clean as THAT part could be; and then output n number of exposure variations of that image to be combined in SNS and TuFuse to show how they compared just at tone mapping, rather than having variations in alignment and whatnot?

That is correct. I was only interested in the tone mapping part of SNS-HDR and TuFuse, so I did the job of optimally (in terms of noise and sharpness) fusing the 5 RAW files in ZN.

ZN usually only produces one output image, but in this case I asked it to produce several overexposed replicas at 2EV intervals (not necessarily the same number and EV intervals as the original RAW files were shot), and those replicas were fed in equal conditions to SNS-HDR and TuFuse for tone mapping (or more strictly exposure blending).

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Apr 02, 2010 17:24 as a reply to  @ _GUI_'s post |  #12

Kick ass...thanks for the info. Looks like I've got some more programs to start playing with :)


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Apr 02, 2010 17:28 |  #13

Snydremark:

As a long-time admirer of ZeroNoise, here are some threads that might give you some pointers to start using it. GUIllermo is kicking ass indeed.

Kirk

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=775795

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=772256

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=765354


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Apr 02, 2010 19:46 as a reply to  @ kirkt's post |  #14

Thanks, Kirk. I'll check those out!


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Apr 03, 2010 02:19 |  #15

_GUI_ wrote in post #9921910 (external link)
That is correct. I was only interested in the tone mapping part of SNS-HDR and TuFuse, so I did the job of optimally (in terms of noise and sharpness) fusing the 5 RAW files in ZN.

ZN usually only produces one output image, but in this case I asked it to produce several overexposed replicas at 2EV intervals (not necessarily the same number and EV intervals as the original RAW files were shot), and those replicas were fed in equal conditions to SNS-HDR and TuFuse for tone mapping (or more strictly exposure blending).

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And I now bow to the amazing ability of ZN ; I took the same 4 RAWs and applied ZN first then into SNS. 100% agree, the result is far, far better.

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