Illegal photo-graphers!

You know it's funny that she was entirely right about footage of her being used against her. This video is testimony and evidence of exactly that. While it's not a single photograph, who the hell knows what she is talking about and how far off her rocker she really was?

Perhaps there is more than one video cameo of her on YouTube?

I was thinking that this video left out a lot of context. It seems to me that there were at least three photographers, plus the cameraman. What was going in that would encourage four photographers to gather in one place that does not at all look photogenic?

To tell you the truth, if I wanted somebody to leave my property and he turned a camera on me instead of responding to my legal request, I would be quite put out too. That's using your camera as an instrument of intimidation, which should not be tolerated in civil society in my opinion.

Having a camera in your hands does not suspend the obligation to be civil.

440roadrunner wrote in post #9953794
My comments, some of which were intented to inflame people like you, make no assumptions worse in one direction than others of you have made in the opposite---"assuming" she is crazy, etc, when for all you or I know this could be her first, or 50th---confrontation with people who SEEM to be on private property---the one ringer that cannot be argued with under any circumstances

I think some may fail to realize that the lady herself was on private property as well. She doesn't identify herself as an employee of any sort, nor does she call the police despite all her shouting.

Ok.

Can we limit the discussion here to the subject (photography/rights). Anything else (comments regarding sanity, etc.) can either be left unsaid or left as comments on the YouTube video itself.

Just watched the video now. I am pretty shocked at how she acted and would really throw me off BUT does not show what may have happened before.

Maybe the lady has got freaked out by boarders before and just lost it but to be honest, looks like she was going crazy without any real info to back it up.

Thank God we have 5D mark II and 7D to document something like that, people are them self truly the worst enemies.

Damn, that was painful to watch. Mental health crisis.

I just want to restate my comment from before, I didn't think it was out of line to say that possibly the worste thing at play here is that this woman has the right to call the police if she thinks it is necessary ( we all do), and tell her side of the story to a dispatcher that is duty bound to relay that info to the responding police officers. From what she says in the video, her side of the story is that these guys were warned to leave before (wich they disputed), returned and peed all over her (wich they also disputed).
Beware, there are people out there that are so angry at photographers that they might just use a story like that to get you in deep hot water with the local police. If I was confronted by this kind of an attack, I would not be filming and laughing, but complying and vamoosing- not because she was right or wrong or because i was right or wrong, but because I wouldn't want to meet the officer that might be on his way right now thinking he was going to arrest some sort of deviant photographer/public urinater/troublemaker etc.
Not a case I want to argue without the aid of an attorney and a few witnesses, thanks.

joedlh wrote in post #9950203
I was thinking that this video left out a lot of context. It seems to me that there were at least three photographers, plus the cameraman. What was going in that would encourage four photographers to gather in one place that does not at all look photogenic?

To tell you the truth, if I wanted somebody to leave my property and he turned a camera on me instead of responding to my legal request, I would be quite put out too. That's using your camera as an instrument of intimidation, which should not be tolerated in civil society in my opinion.

Having a camera in your hands does not suspend the obligation to be civil.

I completely agree with what you've said here. But I'm sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place with this instance.

The other flip side of the coin is that photographs and video can be used for defense too. If someone came at me like they did in this video, I would be concerned as to what story / stories they may make up and tell the police and if I had a video camera, I would be tempted to have it record too.

If someone came to me civilly and we could discuss things, I would be obliging, and would not feel the need to record anything. I guess in this situation I would be leaving as soon as I can - but with the accusations she was stating I would be very keen to try and get some evidence of her behavior in case I found myself up against charges I didn't commit.

Of course, it's easy to think about what I'd do sitting back in my armchair. Being there on the day and having someone come at me like this out of the blue could be entirely different. I hope I never have to find out.

What did they do that was uncivil? Photographed her being uncivil? What if they were literary journalists and merely took notes about her being uncivil? Would that be any different? Why and how?

And how, precisely, would the social mechanism of "intolerance to being photographed" operate, in your opinion? Jail time for photographing someone who was being uncivil? Should photography be ranked with physical assault and battery and photographers locked up with violent criminals?

adza77 wrote in post #9984667
I completely agree with what you've said here. But I'm sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place with this instance.

The other flip side of the coin is that photographs and video can be used for defense too. If someone came at me like they did in this video, I would be concerned as to what story / stories they may make up and tell the police and if I had a video camera, I would be tempted to have it record too.

If someone came to me civilly and we could discuss things, I would be obliging, and would not feel the need to record anything. I guess in this situation I would be leaving as soon as I can - but with the accusations she was stating I would be very keen to try and get some evidence of her behavior in case I found myself up against charges I didn't commit.

Of course, it's easy to think about what I'd do sitting back in my armchair. Being there on the day and having someone come at me like this out of the blue could be entirely different. I hope I never have to find out.

Watching the video again, it starts off with cut-off laughter so I seriously can't help but wonder if they pushed her buttons at the beginning or not.

So this is what I have to look forward too when i stand up to anyone questioning me LOL.

I'm sorry, but I believe the woman was genuinely mentally ill and this clip is not the basis of a discussion on photographers' rights. I am a little stunned that the "photographers" seemed to intentionally aggravate the situation.