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Apr 11, 2010 15:04 |  #1

Nothing special just a few shots of a girl on a bike.

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Apr 11, 2010 15:07 |  #2

Very nicely done. In camera or in post?




  
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Apr 11, 2010 15:32 as a reply to  @ promocop's post |  #3

Really like the first and last ones :D

Two and three - the reflection in her glasses are a bit distracting

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Apr 11, 2010 15:46 |  #4

promocop wrote in post #9974789 (external link)
Very nicely done. In camera or in post?

No I converted them in post.


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Apr 11, 2010 16:41 as a reply to  @ malla1962's post |  #5

Any differnce if one shoots in B&W or converts?




  
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Apr 11, 2010 16:53 |  #6

promocop wrote in post #9975219 (external link)
Any differnce if one shoots in B&W or converts?

Not sure mate, never shoot in B&W so I get the option to do colour and B&W.


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Apr 11, 2010 16:56 |  #7

promocop wrote in post #9975219 (external link)
Any differnce if one shoots in B&W or converts?

There is no benefit to be gained by shooting BW in the camera. In fact there are lots of reasons not to. The biggest reason is that to shoot bw in camera means you are shooting .jpg instead of raw. Raw allows you a lot more latitude in exposure in case you miss, as well as other benefits. When you convert in photoshop you can use the color channels to better control the gray scale, much more so than a simple desaturation. On this shot for instance if you wanted a darker sky you could control the blue channel making it darker and more dramatic. cs3 and newer are very good at this.




  
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Apr 11, 2010 17:13 |  #8

promocop wrote in post #9975219 (external link)
Any differnce if one shoots in B&W or converts?

It depends on what kind of camera you use. There is no across-the-board standard as in-camera processing varies from model to model just as any other form of processing.

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There is no benefit to be gained by shooting BW in the camera. In fact there are lots of reasons not to. The biggest reason is that to shoot bw in camera means you are shooting .jpg instead of raw. Raw allows you a lot more latitude in exposure in case you miss, as well as other benefits. When you convert in photoshop you can use the color channels to better control the gray scale, much more so than a simple desaturation. On this shot for instance if you wanted a darker sky you could control the blue channel making it darker and more dramatic. cs3 and newer are very good at this.

This is not true across-the-board; I use an Epson R-D1s for when I feel like getting nostalgic and want to shoot with a rangefinder but keep within the digital workflow. One truly interesting thing about the way this camera does in-camera B&W is that it retains it records the key of the frame in color as well -- all in the same RAW file. Additionally, the way the R-D1s does in-camera B&W is incredibly true to film even in a digital format; all the way to the lumi-grain representing film grain over digital noise.

The last part is subjective to the user, but the first thing I pointed out simply proves their is no across-the-board truth to the first thing you said.

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Really like the first and last ones :D

Two and three - the reflection in her glasses are a bit distracting

Well done ;)

I concur, I can clearly see the reflectors even at this resolution. Damn those aviators!


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Apr 11, 2010 17:16 |  #9

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It depends on what kind of camera you use. There is no across-the-board standard as in-camera processing varies from model to model just as any other form of processing.

This not true across-the-board; I use an Epson R-D1s for when I feel like getting nostalgic and want to shoot with a rangefinder but keep within the digital workflow. One truly interesting thing about the way this camera does in-camera B&W is that it retains it records the key of the frame in color as well -- all in the same RAW file. Additionally, the way the R-D1s does in-camera B&W is incredibly true to film even in a digital format; all the way to the lumi-grain representing film grain over digital noise.

The last part is subjective to the user, but the first thing I pointed out simply proves their is no across-the-board truth to the first thing you said.

I concur, I can clearly see the reflectors even at this resolution. Damn those aviators!

I agree, the reflections are bad it it was the only way she could keep her eyes open lol.


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Apr 11, 2010 17:20 |  #10

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I agree, the reflections are bad it it was the only way she could keep her eyes open lol.

Believe me, I understand. Hahaha.

Being a little cynical in critique here but it appears the focus is set on the bike in the first shot. Was this intentional or was the model just out off the focal plane? Her body looks to be in focus at some points, but their is a noticeable softness to the head and the hair doesn't appear as separated from the background as the rest of the suggest focal point. The composition is great, but I find myself liking the second and third shots above it despite the reflections as a result of this.


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Apr 11, 2010 17:24 |  #11

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Believe me, I understand. Hahaha.

Being a little cynical in critique here but it appears the focus is set on the bike in the first shot. Was this intentional or was the model just out off the focal plane? The composition is great, but I find myself liking the second and third shots above it despite the reflections as a result of this.

No I just looked at the original file and it is OOF but not intentional a mistake on my part, I have two more of the same shot but in focus, I need to start wearing my glasses lol.


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Apr 11, 2010 17:26 |  #12

malla1962 wrote in post #9975431 (external link)
No I just looked at the original file and it is OOF but not intentional a mistake on my part, I have two more of the same shot but in focus, I need to start wearing my glasses lol.

Good move on taking the 'insurance' shots for times like this when the very things that lead to our creativity fail us in the processing phase. :)

Funny how that works out huh?


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Apr 11, 2010 18:52 |  #13

I dig the series, but the first one I bet she won't like as much since she looks much wider in the hips.


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Apr 11, 2010 19:08 as a reply to  @ FELINEDEBOURGES's post |  #14

Well now I'm really confused. I have A 5d and like shooting b&w. What to do? So in monochrome mode raw doesn't record even if I'm in. Jpeg+raw Mode?




  
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Apr 11, 2010 20:00 |  #15

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Well now I'm really confused. I have A 5d and like shooting b&w. What to do? So in monochrome mode raw doesn't record even if I'm in. Jpeg+raw Mode?

Do a test shot, upload and find out. I never shot monochrome on the 5D claissic when I had because I didn't even like shooting with the camera in the first place (yes, 5D hate) so I can't give you a definitive answer.


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