ips lcd convince me please

now i have been considering an upgrade to either a dell 2408 2410 or at a push the 2711.

i currently have a packard bell maestro 242dx 24", now this is a tn panel and of course before i purchased it i looked at a whole range of others in that price range and this particular panel had much better clarity and tone that just about any other tn panel i looked at.
so i purchased it and calibrated it with my spyder 3
now from a gamut point of view it is pretty much at 100% of srgb and for what it is does look rather good in isolation when calibrated to a usable luminance. but i have zero experience of ips and dont think ive ever seen one

now i have various printers being a canon w6400 imageprograf 24" wideformat, an olmec op800 8x12 roll fed dye sub and an older canon i9950 (i9900 in usa) dye printer.
now i am conscious of the size of the gamuts of these printers and the olmec in particular mimics the srgb profile pretty well in terms of overall size.

and while i have all of the printers profiled, and use the dye-sub the most, i am thinking to myself

how much more could i gain by upgrading my display to improve print accuracy.
but it has crossed my mind - would all these extra bits of colour information that the dell 'u' series can display just go to waste
what im thinking - is that certainly with a srgb space - will both monitors display pretty much identical in terms of colour accuracy and gamma accuracy or is the ips alot more consistent across a range of luminance

and that is pretty much it - can i gain alot by upgrading or am i just going to excess and wasting money for diminishing returns
anybody who was in the same position id like to hear your experiences and results
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anybody ?

"Convince me" posts bug the heck out of me...

You're obviously experienced and well informed already. Maybe at this point you should simply ask yourself "Can I afford it?".

im sorry it bugs the heck out of you ChasP505 - title amended to remind you not to bother
i must tune into your feelings and sensitivities

while we are at it tell me other things that affect your karma and feelings and i will tip toe around you in future

for the rest of people who got out of the right side of the bed - i am an experienced photographer but
i have no experience of IPS displays so cannot comprehend the differences or benefits and as i said in isolation mine seems good - but not seen an IPS.
yes i can read reviews till the cows come home and have trawled here and found out further info, but not exactly what i was after

to be clear i dont have financial issues - but dont like wasting money either
perhaps if it bugs you then dont contribute to this thread further, thanks

http://www.bhphotovide​o.com …241W_24_1_Wides​creen.html

http://www.eizo.com …loredge/cg243w/​index.html

if you are not worried about price, these are phenomenal screens....

since you are SPECIFICALLY asking about ips panels, the cg243 is the ips panel screen.... it is the updated model from the cg241....

I use the cg 241 all day long everyday.... actually I use 3 of them... but beside the point.

There are plenty of PHENOMENAL pva, sva, xva panels out there that can provide wonderful color accuract, backlight uniformity, viewing angle, etc etc etc that will blow away any tn panel out there.

Tn panels have large shifting just by moving your head a couple of inches in any direction... they also do not generally have very even backlighting, this is not necessarily due to the 'panel' but the manufacturer and its design of how to light the panel.

EIZO screens are pretty much some of the best $ can buy....

I also enjoy the apple cinema displays... which were ips panels.... this is to the previous generation with the matte screen, NOT the overly priced Mirrors that they just released....

Cinema displays are very good screens and can handle calibration verrrry well...

Used cinema displays can be had for a very reasonable price on the craigslist / ebay market...

Eizo's not so much.

BUT! Eizo does come with a 5 year warranty... and is pretty much the best screen that $ can buy... as previously stated.

just my .02

IPS or xVA is the only rational choice for a photographer.

Ask yourself if you want to see all your colours as correctly as possible and be able to move your head without the colours altering. If the answer is yes then buy an IPS.

It is pointless calibrating a TN because if you move your head from absolutely dead on then the colours alter. Plus they only display 6bit colour and do that fairly badly.

The difference between IPS and TN is about the same as a print on good quality gloss paper and one on photocopier paper.

Hopelessdfilms wrote in post #10024518
Eizo..... pretty much the best screen that $ can buy...

The best you can get is a Quato. But they really are unbelievably expensive, I know, I have one and we use them at work.

Hank and Hopeless are talking about monitors many times more expensive than those the OP mentioned for consideration. Is that the level of quality that pip boogaloo needs or wants?

Instead of the Dells mentioned, I'd look at the new NEC PA241w for the most return on your money.

http://www.necvisualsy​stems.com …77-4f55-a29c-ad0fbdf58464

pip boogaloo wrote in post #10024314
im sorry it bugs the hell out of you ChasP505 - title amended to remind you not to bother
i must tune into your feelings and sensitivities

while we are at it tell me other things that affect your karma and your feelings are sensitive too and i will tip toe around you in future

Pay a guy a compliment and get a slap in return. Go figure.

ChasP505 wrote in post #10024132
"Convince me" posts bug the heck out of me...

You're obviously experienced and well informed already. Maybe at this point you should simply ask yourself "Can I afford it?".

say what - compliment you say ? was that compliment with the back of your left or right hand
anyway - lets kiss and make up

thanks for the bump
thanks for the viewpoints - very interested in others observations so keep'em coming

pip boogaloo wrote in post #10024876
say what - compliment you say ? was that compliment with the back of your left or right hand

No... It was more like asking you to "turn your head and cough".

I use the Dell 2410 and find it to be excellent. I upgraded from my old TN (now my 2nd monitor) because "I" was unhappy with its performance.

The short answer to your quation is therefore that the only person that can convince you is you. From your post you know that IPS is better than TN so the issue then becomes subjective - how good do you want it to be? Only you know that answer.

If you are unhappy with the results you are getting then upgrade and you will be impressed. If you are getting what you feel are acceptable quality prints then stick with what you have.

If $ is an issue, I recommend the older apple cinema displays (aluminum enclosure) they are an IPS panel and are very easily calibrated...

These screens can be had for a very fair price on the used market....

I believe you're using a pc, so the next tip does not apply, though i'm sure there is a windows program that is similar... The program I recommend using is called pixel check... (mac) it pushes a pure white, black, red, blue, and green, signal to the screen... it will fill the screen entirely and is a great fast and easy way to check for dead pixels, backlight uniformity, etc etc etc....

Around my area, I've been able to pick up used 23"cinemas between 350$-500$ depending on condition, box, etc etc....

this is definitely a fine screen and within a reasonable budget...

another great screen are the new lacies, i believe the model is the 324.... they are retailing around 900$ - 1100$ I believe depending on monitor hood, colorimeter, etc...

very good and reasonably priced.

as always just my .02

thanks all - i settled on a dell u2711, got it all setup now and happy with it.
still have to proper calibrate it so would be interested in what mode you use (those that own it)
thanks again

you should set the monitor to custom... might want to take the brightness down to a cofortable level.. i have mine on 36.. then calibrate using something good. I use spyderpro 3 elite... seems to doing great.

like at this page.. i can see the differences in all the blocks and can other tests of the same manner

http://www.gballard.ne​t/boutique/colorcorrec​ting.html

really love the 2560x1440 resolution too (once i figured out i needed a dual link dvi cord and not a cheapy i had lying around)