Steve Jobs pens open letter about Flash

Tadaaa wrote in post #10447525
Apple has their own issues... http://gawker.com …14000-ipad-owners-exposed

AT&T has the issue, not Apple.

Well, one of the biggest obstacles that was used against Apple's decision about Flash, was Hulu.

Now, Hulu supports iPad and iPhone.

That, with the porn industry moving over, pretty much sticks the fork into Flash's gut.

It's over folks, now it's just a matter of cleanup.

Tony-S wrote in post #10446849
The iTunes App Store is there to protect people from unscrupulous activities, which are plaguing the Android platform as we speak. Already a botnet has been produced and about 20% of the apps harvest your personal data in an uncontrolled way. Anyone who uses Android phones is at serious risk of being compromised and defrauded. The iOS is nearly bulletproof in comparison.

really have any documentation on that claim??

The only one I know of was the one below which involved jailbroken iphones and rooted (jailbreak equiv.) Android phones.. so what? it effected both, and the app was obtained outside of either Apple's or Android's marketplace...

http://www.downloadsqu​ad.com …-hacked-to-form-a-botnet/

Plenty of interactive sites still use it outside of video, and even in video, great yeah h.264 and licence fees once we are all hooked and Steve wants to clamp down..

I am no huge fan of Adobe, or Google for that matter, but there is just too much Apple cool-aid being drunk these days..

joele wrote in post #10452707
I am no huge fan of Adobe, or Google for that matter, but there is just too much Apple cool-aid being drunk these days..

Not just these days, I've seen/heard people gulp that stuff down with no hesitation for 20+ years...

joele wrote in post #10452707
really have any documentation on that claim??

Android botnet that Google had to issue a kill switch for. Fortunately for them, it was produced to demonstrate how easy Adroid can be compromised and without malicious intent.

About 20% of Android apps harvest personal data.

MPEG H.264 is an open standard and the entity that controls it has committed to low cost licensing. They are not interested in making big profits, they are interested in open web standards (unlike Adobe and Microsoft). With Flash, you're at Adobe's mercy and they clearly ARE interested in making profits.

That's "Kool-Aid". Unless you really mean that Apple products are cool.

ahh ok.. This is the price you pay for not having a heavy handed control freak organisation limiting a lot of useful programs too.. I prefer having to do some minor due diligence with what I chose to install rather than not having the control of my own device limited so much. P.S. The marketplace would have WARNED users when they installed that app that it was highly risky, I have never actually seen an app needing that level of security in the Android Marketplace before, and certainly wouldn't install it.

As for apps collecting personal data, every app when you elect to install it through the marketplace, provides a list of what information and features an application has access to, giving you the choice of what you want/trust or not. That article is actually a little stupid as the way they know apps have access to those things is through the marketplace TELLING you EXACTLY what each app has access to.. Leaving the choice up to the consumer not the corporation who dictates what you can and can't have on YOUR device. In my opinion that is a major strength not a weakness.

Tony-S wrote in post #10452960
With Flash, you're at Adobe's mercy and they clearly ARE interested in making profits.

Unlike Apple of course..

That's "Kool-Aid". Unless you really mean that Apple products are cool.

I stand corrected, it isn't actually a product in Australia...

The entity that controls H.264 is MPEG LA which is a group of entities that includes (in a big way) Apple and MS, and you say they are not interested in big profits??? ohh wait you did admit that MS is interested in big profits didn't you! just not Apple? There are actually true open standards that are good alternatives but Steve Jobs already threatened to protect h.264 and go after the others using his broad software patents (the biggest problem with the software industry these days)..

Tony-S wrote in post #10452960
That's "Kool-Aid". Unless you really mean that Apple products are cool.

If you wanna nitpick, you should know that the act to which it refers was done using Flavor Aid....

joele wrote in post #10453200
ahh ok.. This is the price you pay for not having a heavy handed control freak organisation limiting a lot of useful programs too.. I prefer having to do some minor due diligence with what I chose to install rather than not having the control of my own device limited so much.

That's fine, but you're probably less than 5% of users that want to take on that burden. If Apple's setup was so onerous, then it wouldn't be selling iPhones, iPads and iPod Touchs so quickly that they can't make them fast enough. This is one of the areas where Apple has historically differed from Microsoft; forcing the programmers to abide by the rules in favor of the end user. I remember the days of DOS/Win transition (and even up to Win 98 ) where chaos ensued with many Windows-based applications. There was no guarantee of consistency between apps. That's never been the case for Apple, even when all the programming was done in Pascal, then C, then C++ and now Objective C.

I think the point is that the way Android is set up, it leaves great room for programmers to unscrupulously collect data that can lead to all kinds of financial fraud. The risk of that is far less with Apple's system because every app gets screened prior to its availability on the App Store.

Apple is about open standards. They do not make money off of open standards. Adobe wants closed standards because they get more profit off of it.

Again, they have stated that they are more interested in open standards than making profit. The profit they make is to support their organization and further research into making efficient algorithms for content compression. My reference to Microsoft was Internet Explorer, where they did everything to fly in the face of W3 web standards. They have paid a heavy price in the EU and to a lesser extent in the USA for their anti-competitive practices. IE has changed substantially in the last 5 years because of these penalties.

Such as? I hope you're not referring to VP8, because there's no chance that it'll become available because it violates the IP of h.264.

I love the new irony with iPhone 4 coming out. it has antenna issues that clearly should have been caught in testing. The solution from Jobs: don't hold the phone that way.

And Jobs is whining that Flash doesn't run "as smooth as possible" on Apple.

Apple is a terrible company.

LOL

I love the ignorance displayed around here when it comes to a certain fruit-flavored company.

merlin2375 wrote in post #10453774
I love the new irony with iPhone 4 coming out.

How is it ironic?

Perhaps you should apply for a job, they're hiring.

At least the antenna issue doesn't run the battery down in 30 minutes.

Apple's one of the best companies around. Nearly every credible organization that evaluates customer service and product quality says so.

You guys take this junk way too seriously. They are just phones for crap's sake. Buy the one you like or whichever you get on sale. If you really love flash sites, don't buy the one that doesn't do flash.

tkbslc wrote in post #10454120
You guys take this junk way too seriously. They are just phones for crap's sake. Buy the one you like or whichever you get on sale. If you really love flash sites, don't buy the one that doesn't do flash.

But then again, my livelihood doesn't revolve around cell phones, so I don't really have to worry about it.

Tony-S wrote in post #10453873
How is it ironic?

Perhaps you should apply for a job, they're hiring.

At least the antenna issue doesn't run the battery down in 30 minutes.

Apple's one of the best companies around. Nearly every credible organization that evaluates customer service and product quality says so.

It's ironic because one of Jobs' biggest complaint was that Adobe wasn't a good product because it may be a little slow or consume too much battery power. At least Adobe didn't let their product go out with a critical flaw like Apple did. And yes, I think dropping a call because you hold a phone a certain way is a critical flaw even if Jobs tells everyone to just "avoid holding it that way".

Second, if Apple weren't so snobbish and allowed the iPhone to run Flash, people could OPT OUT or OPT IN (either way I could care or less). In other words it's their choice whether they want to run the battery down or not. I don't need Big Brother Apple looking out for me. I can figure it out for myself.

Kind of hard not to use the antenna on a phone.

merlin, I think you answered your own question! You don't need an Apple product! Don't buy one!