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Apr 30, 2010 03:52 |  #1

I understand why some cameras are good for sports, fast AF and frames per second, but what makes some cameras better for portraits. Not talking about FF here, are some crops better for portraits than others and if so, why?




  
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Apr 30, 2010 04:27 |  #2

Not to any large degree.




  
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Apr 30, 2010 04:31 |  #3

Whippeticious wrote in post #10094204 (external link)
I understand why some cameras are good for sports, fast AF and frames per second, but what makes some cameras better for portraits. Not talking about FF here, are some crops better for portraits than others and if so, why?

Not to my experience.

And the reason why FF cameras are better to portraits is because of the better image quality.


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Apr 30, 2010 04:35 |  #4

I think its less about the camera body and more about the lens you use. FF is nice but very expensive.


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Apr 30, 2010 04:46 |  #5

Hannya wrote in post #10094289 (external link)
I think its less about the camera body and more about the lens you use. FF is nice but very expensive.

Well, the camera bodies do meter slightly differently and the older rebels had less depth in terms of RAW - as far as I am aware the old ones are 14bit and the new ones 16bit as the professional ones.
Some have colder, some warmer colours...

Noise reduction, amount of noise etc.

But for general usage I suppose the difference between crop bodies is very small.


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Apr 30, 2010 04:54 |  #6

pfpeter wrote in post #10094283 (external link)
Not to my experience.

And the reason why FF cameras are better to portraits is because of the better image quality.

They also have a depth of field advantage.

I would imagine some bodys may render detail, colours and skin tones better than others, the differences would be slight though.


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Apr 30, 2010 07:03 |  #7

DetlevCM wrote in post #10094311 (external link)
Well, the camera bodies do meter slightly differently and the older rebels had less depth in terms of RAW - as far as I am aware the old ones are 14bit and the new ones 16bit as the professional ones.

I don't think that there are any 16 bit Canons, or many 16 bit DSLRs in general.


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Apr 30, 2010 07:05 |  #8

Just subtract 2 from each of the numbers in Det's post. :)


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Apr 30, 2010 07:58 |  #9

for good portraits you want to divide your budget carefully between body, lens and flash/lighting, i would think. if you really skimp on any of those areas your results will be limited but i think you should be able to get good results by spending a little money on each.




  
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Apr 30, 2010 09:24 |  #10

hm, there is nothing that cannot be fixed with the magic of photoshop...

most bodies converge to same specification / quality in the end...


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Apr 30, 2010 09:36 as a reply to  @ sandro9mm's post |  #11

theextremist04 wrote in post #10094637 (external link)
I don't think that there are any 16 bit Canons, or many 16 bit DSLRs in general.

TeamSpeed wrote in post #10094654 (external link)
Just subtract 2 from each of the numbers in Det's post. :)

This makes me wonder... why do my MK II's Raw files show up as 16Bit then?

What are the two additional bits then?


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Apr 30, 2010 09:38 |  #12

DetlevCM wrote in post #10095273 (external link)
This makes me wonder... why do my MK II's Raw files show up as 16Bit then?

What are the two additional bits then?

possibly it is easier to store it as 16-bit where the data is actually 14-bit but 2 of the bits are unused.

computers like things in powers of 2.

just a guess.




  
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Apr 30, 2010 09:41 |  #13

DetlevCM wrote in post #10095273 (external link)
This makes me wonder... why do my MK II's Raw files show up as 16Bit then?

What are the two additional bits then?

Photoshop and many other image editors can only handle 8bit or 16bit. When the camera provides something like 12bit you either chop off the extra bits to make it 8 or you add some extra zeros to make it 16.


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Apr 30, 2010 09:41 |  #14

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hm, there is nothing that cannot be fixed with the magic of photoshop...

most bodies converge to same specification / quality in the end...

Disagree on both counts I'm afraid

Photoshop can only improve a photo ... you can't make a crap photo into a work of art, but it can be used to dramtically improve the image and apply artist effects.

Try shooting motorsport with 1Ds3 ... really not that great I'm afraid despite it being a very capable camera ... trust me I've tried ... equally try shooting a dark church where no flash is allows with a Rebel and compare the high ISO results to those of a 1D4 / 5D2


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Apr 30, 2010 09:45 |  #15

magwai wrote in post #10095283 (external link)
possibly it is easier to store it as 16-bit where the data is actually 14-bit but 2 of the bits are unused.

computers like things in powers of 2.

just a guess.

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Photoshop and many other image editors can only handle 8bit or 16bit. When the camera provides something like 12bit you either chop off the extra bits to make it 8 or you add some extra zeros to make it 16.

Aha - thanks.

That means Camera RAW is strange... on Photoshop Elements 6 it claimed the 400D was 16Bit... then on CS4 8Bit - and on the MK II CS claims 16...

16 and 14 - close together.

But 8 - 12 - 16 - well, I guess... 4 each way...

Thanks again :)


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