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A 10min recipe for supermacro (my first try)

 
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Apr 30, 2010 18:33 |  #1

Below is my original method - it shows how you too can do super macro with lenses you already own. - my current method now is 400mm and 11-16@16mm in reverse.
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This is my recipe - substitude as appropriate for your taste and flavours). Theoretically following this recipe you should be able to get a magnification in the order of 11:1 to 12:1

Ingredients:

1 Camera
2 Lenses - A long one (macro is best) and a short one in terms of focal length
1 1.4x Tele-converter (TC) - this is optional (the 2x is still in the snail mail )
1 Mouse
1 Cork - Preferably from a bottle of sparkling wine, they are more stable.
2 Clothes pegs
1 Match box
1 Tea towel
1 table lamp
1 Coin
1 knife
and 1 Table

Putting it all together:


Sample holder
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Take your cork and cut a slit in it with the knife. Place your coin in the slot.

IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4024/4566241461_78a022937c.jpg
The brilliant sample holder and coin

Lighting
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Place your table lamp somewhere so its cable is close-ish to the sample to be imaged but not so far away as not to be able to plug it into a power socket. Place a tea towel of the lamp to diffuse the light.

WARNING: Do not place cloth over the lamp completely - just hang it off the front - We don't want he bulb blowing and we certainly don't want any fire. Fires may give some nice mood lighting but this is macro, mood is optional.


The camera setup:
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Place the TC on the camera and the long macro lens on the TC. Place this on the table by using a clothes peg and matchbox to keep it level. Place the short focal length lens in reverse onto the long lens (In my case a Tok 11-16 @11mm onto 90mm Tamron) stabilise using the remaining peg. Use the mouse to stop the short lens from rolling away.


So what does this look like:
IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4566189051_0f03c8d8d6.jpg
This guy really knows what he's doing

Result
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So here is a sample shot.

IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4008/4566829516_d3ed662222_o.jpg
Awesome and the light fall off is great, it really adds tension to the scene

This image is about a 70% crop of the original, no sharpening has been applied. You'll notice that lighting is very important and could be improved upon - an extension cord would be one way. Bright leds all around the the lens would be another.

The lens alignment may have also contributed to the light fall off. An extra mouse may have helped here.

Conclusion
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Not bad for 10 min work if I must say so myself (and I must). And remember substitute the ingredients to what ever you have at hand and is currently on or near your table.

Signing off, tongue firmly in cheek.
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Apr 30, 2010 18:54 |  #2

I don't care about the macro stuff, tell me how to make my silver coins into gold ones!:lol::lol::lol:


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May 01, 2010 00:37 |  #3

Ok, new discovery, the light fall off is due to using the aperture in the long lens, opening that up and setting the apperature in the shorter lens fixes this issue. I have a new more solid setup now on a some wood.


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May 01, 2010 01:04 |  #4

Looks like diffraction is realllyyyy bad when stoppong down the reversed lens. Might have to live with croping the frame. More experimentation needed.


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May 01, 2010 01:54 as a reply to  @ hqqns's post |  #5

Some images taken using a more sturdy setup

Full frame, notice the capturing of the aperture opening

IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3297/4567530532_cabe80ce9b_o.jpg
This full frame is 2.5mm (0.1")across

Cropped to get rid of no light:
IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/4567530634_0132327ec4_o.jpg

For the pixel peepers (100% crop)
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0.4mm across the image = 0.000484mm/pixel

I think I'll try all apertures open, see what I get????????

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May 01, 2010 02:12 |  #6

wow thats pretty cool. i think its still a little dark though. but it looks amazing!




  
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May 01, 2010 02:50 |  #7

nanette37 wrote in post #10100075 (external link)
wow thats pretty cool. i think its still a little dark though. but it looks amazing!

Thanks, it looked OK on my monitor :), I shot raw so easy enough to fix.
This for me is more of an experiment at this point in time to get a good setup and see the limitations. And hopefully others can learn from my mistakes :)

I'll be adding more as I keep experimenting.


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May 01, 2010 02:58 |  #8

this is something i'll definitely try once i get my camera




  
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May 01, 2010 11:23 |  #9

Macro can be lot's of fun, it's a diffrent beast too learn but anyone can do it even using cheap gear which can lead to great results.


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May 02, 2010 04:26 |  #10

I've changed my setup! After a few iterations with different lens, I've ended up using the 400/5.6L and Tokina 11-16@16mm in reverse. NB flash is not used.

In theory that means 25:1

IMAGE: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/4570018267_5563b7b0d2.jpg
Current setup and lighting

The coin test - I can't fit the edge of the coin in the frame anymore!:

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The coin at a theoretical 25:1 - full frame

Oh and I found a dead house fly on the window sill - lots and lots of eyes:

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Dead fly - full frame

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May 02, 2010 04:39 as a reply to  @ hqqns's post |  #11

that is extremely cool. cant wait to see more sample pics! and to try it myself someday :)




  
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May 02, 2010 04:58 as a reply to  @ nanette37's post |  #12

If I use a 75-300 zoom, do I set it at 300mm, then reverse the other lens onto this? Did you use autofocus? I tried, but it couldn't maintain focus... I did manage a spider skin with my reversed 28mm and 30mm macro tube...

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not as sharp as yours, hand held, see?



  
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May 02, 2010 05:09 |  #13

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If I use a 75-300 zoom, do I set it at 300mm, then reverse the other lens onto this?

Yes

Did you use autofocus?

No impossible, I leave the camera and lenses in one spot and move the subject VERY slowly until something is in focus!

I did manage a spider skin with my reversed 28mm and 30mm macro tube...

not as sharp as yours, hand held, see?


nice, how big was the spider? Is that full frame?

I'm guessing I could get a foot of the spider into the the full frame maybe in this setup lol


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May 02, 2010 05:18 as a reply to  @ hqqns's post |  #14

The spider skin was about 4mm across - I started with a spider skin because spiders move! The skin only moved when I breathed!

The frame is original width, just cropped at the bottom so the spider skin nearly filled the frame on my 400d.

What focus do you set the big lens at? Should I set it to infinity, or what? And the reversed lens? I tried a set up just like yours, but had them the wrong way round :D

Will have another go when I can do so without the hard stares from the missus!

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May 02, 2010 11:46 |  #15

Anyone know what
MPE65mm at 5:1 + 2*TC + 2*TC + full set of kenko tubes + Raynox DCR250 = ? It's at least 20:1+
I'm going to go try it now!

Ok tried it - here is the result without the DCR 250

IMAGE: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4028/4571862748_f436bda7fb.jpg
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And here is the result with the DCR 250
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I think my sensor might have some dust on it! ;)

Tools of the trade: Canon 400D, Canon 7D, Canon 70-200mm f2.8 IS L M2, Sigma 120-300mm f2.8 OS, Canon MPE 65mm f2.8 macro, Sigma 150mm f2.8 macro, Tamron 24-70mm f2.4, Sigma 70mm f2.8 macro, Sigma 8-16mm f4.5-5.6, Raynox DCR 250, loads of teleconverters and a flashy thingy too
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