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May 03, 2010 12:34 |  #1

I'm not an expert shooter and want to know how can I eliminate getting out of focus photos of moving objects traveling towards the lens. This issue often occurs at various shutter speeds from 100-2000 and when shooting objects diagonally traveling towards the lens.

I've tried shooting in Single Shot mode and AI Servo and I get the same results regardless of the shutter speed and lens speed. Any suggestions how to keep moving objects traveling towards the lens in focus would be greatly appreciated.


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May 03, 2010 12:40 |  #2

any sample images so we can get a better idea what you're talking about?


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May 03, 2010 13:06 |  #3

What sport so we know how fast they are moving? Try to get some lead time on the subject. I use the Mk II N and I'm always re-focusing as I shoot. Gets harder as speeds approach 25 mph and above.


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May 03, 2010 14:14 |  #4

My very first question/suggestion is are you suing the * to focus. If not, stop reading now, set that preference, shoot some of those troublesome shots and see what happens.


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May 03, 2010 14:24 |  #5

Forgive me for the lack of details to start. I shoot various sports from football, baseball, basketball, track & field, and motor sport racing. The object speed can vary from 1 mph to 300 mph. I just noticed when I shoot moving objects from the front or diagonally from the front it results in out of focus photos. Granted, I'm using a 1Ds MKII body which is not designed for sports, but I think it would be good enough to cover some elements of sports. This leads me to my next question of: how does the 1D MKII AF system compare to the AF system of the 1D MKIIn, 50D, and 7D systems? Perhaps I'm using the wrong camera for these application or I'm just a rookie shooter. lol


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May 03, 2010 14:57 |  #6

psssst, * button for focus....... and the 1DM@ and 2N are fantastic in terms of AF systems. No experience with the 50D but I have shot the 7D and think the 1D series (even the older ones) are still better. Just my opinion. Did I mention * button focus though?


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May 03, 2010 20:46 |  #7

Namasste,

I'm not sure what you mean by button focus. If you're referring to the use of the * button in the back on the camera, then I use this button to focus independently and that's why I'm confused on why many images fall out of focus when shooting objects moving toward the lens at any speeds in AI Servo or One Shot modes. Any suggestions from others would be helpful.


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May 03, 2010 22:40 |  #8

yep, back button (*) focus was what I am referring to. This is a tough one but like others mentioned, without an image or two with exif and a description of the shooting conditions, its hard to help you much.


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May 03, 2010 22:49 |  #9

Okay, I've only just begun using my Mk II N, but I hit that * button every time I press the shutter and several times before. I might miss the focus because I missed my moving target, but otherwise it's spot on. It's become second nature that pressing the shutter is a two fingered process.


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May 04, 2010 08:11 |  #10

Biffbradford wrote in post #10116487 (external link)
Okay, I've only just begun using my Mk II N, but I hit that * button every time I press the shutter and several times before. I might miss the focus because I missed my moving target, but otherwise it's spot on. It's become second nature that pressing the shutter is a two fingered process.

The AI Servo tracking on the MkII and MkII is great. It might be as simple as something coming into the view of the camera and it's trying to track the new object. You can change the sensitivity of the tracking. Try that and see if it helps.

I don't know about y'all, but I think Scott was trying to tell us something.;)


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May 04, 2010 09:28 |  #11

asysin2leads wrote in post #10118240 (external link)
The AI Servo tracking on the MkII and MkII is great. It might be as simple as something coming into the view of the camera and it's trying to track the new object. You can change the sensitivity of the tracking. Try that and see if it helps.

I don't know about y'all, but I think Scott was trying to tell us something.;)

lol, me? never! Good call on the sensitivity, never thought of that. I switch mine to low many times depending on what part of the pitch I might be shooting.


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May 04, 2010 21:49 |  #12

My 50D hates focusing on fast moving objects coming at me. Someone on this forum told me it was admitted by Canon as a challenge to engineer.

Is it tracking and then suddenly going way out of focus or are the pictures out of focus because the AF is missing the subject?


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May 05, 2010 07:46 |  #13

Sorry to ask a dumb question, but are you suggesting to press the * button at the same time as the shutter button?
Newbie question I know, but thats the second time I have read that today


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May 05, 2010 08:35 |  #14

spurs, ultimately, yes but you use the * to lock focus and keep it held while tracking. when you have your shot, press the shutter release and exposure is set and the frame captured. this separates the two functions.

as for the action coming towards you, it certainly is one of the more challenging things for both the shooter and the gear but i'd suspect that in 90+ percent of the cases, its the user, not the gear causing the problem. what often happens is that an athlete is running towards you and typically its not the speed but the arm movement that'll get you. think about it...you're locked right on the numbers as the tailback breaks towards you and you're ready to nail that shot every mag is going to want but when you look at them later, all you have are soft or oof images, why? its likely because your gear is too good rather than the other way around. now you're probably thinking I'm nuts right now but hear me out. the depth of field you are working with is so small (and moving) that even though you have the ctr pt. right on the numbers, the swinging arms and/or ball will often cross that creating a plane of focus that can be up to a foot or more (in basketball particularly it be much more). your camera is good enough that it simply focuses on whats in front of it so you wind up with ball, hands, arms in focus but soft faces which is where it counts. here's where the pros earn their bacon..its critical to watch players and get to see their movements. how do they carry the ball, what is their dribbling preference, how do they run? accounting for things like that when you are shooting objects moving towards you quickly can make all the difference in the world. sometimes you still can't help it and an arm will mess up a great image but before we go blaming gear, we should always first consider if there is anything we are doing (or not doing) that's the root of the problem. this is a reason its helpful to post sample images. programs like Zoombrowser can actually show the point of focus and its really helpful to look at that from time to time when you are less than happy with the focus in your images. you might just be surprised at what you see...food for thought but I just feel like too many sports shooters think that top notch gear is all it takes and anyone who's been at it a while will tell you that while great gear certainly helps, its ultimately the shooter who makes the image and to be really good, you need to be able to consistently produce portfolio quality images of key plays when they happen. being prepared is the best way I know of to do that and by being prepared, I include having a thorough understanding of exactly what issues you may face at any given event (including athletes running at you very very quickly).


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May 05, 2010 11:02 |  #15

spurs73spurs wrote in post #10125031 (external link)
Sorry to ask a dumb question, but are you suggesting to press the * button at the same time as the shutter button?
Newbie question I know, but thats the second time I have read that today

I haven't had my Mk II N all that long and don't know if it's correct, but that's what I've been doing. The results have been good.


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