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May 05, 2010 15:15 |  #1

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Sinse buying the 7D It's been a complete struggle editing it's files in any kind of editor as we all know.

Anyway I decided, these files need to be wrapped, I might as well shell out and get a good codec, It will save me so much grief. So I got Cineform Neoscene.
Hmm, worked with Sony Vegas pretty well, but I had to move to Premiere Pro, and Premiere and Cineform just didn't get on at all. And Premiere certainly didn't get on with the native 7D files.
So for months I've had to battle with crappy playback in Premiere, making editing painful! I thought, I'll stick with it... won't get final cut, I'm sure Premiere CS5 will work with Cineform.

So today I get CS5, and import some Cineform avi. files. Low and behold it stutters horribly, worse than CS4. I played with the new sequence parameters and playback resolution settings, but nah... no way I could get this smooth. My system isn't even underpowered.
I was pretty convinced my days with Premiere were numbered now, but I thought it might be a laugh to see how it copes with native H.264 files from the 7D. Even Sony Vegas would grind to a halt with those files.

I hit play, and honestly, to my shock... Premiere played the files back perfectly! I sat up from my seat, had a go at playing back full res... still smooth. Had a go adding some effects and cross dissolves, 'cmon, this'll stop it.... plays smooth!
Crazy huh? I'm not sure what they've done, but before these native files were just useless in an NLE, but now they are the perfect editing format for Premiere!
I'm just annoyed I shelled out for Cineform for it to be pretty useless with CS4, and uttlerly useless and obsolete with CS5.


So people, If you plan on using Premiere to edit your canon video. DON'T wrap your files with Cineform anymore, because from what I can see... editing natively is a far quicker and more useable method!
Not sure how FCP copes with the Canon mov files, and I know Vegas can't really cope. So right now... adobe is the way to go for editing Canon movies!



  
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May 05, 2010 15:33 |  #2

What video card do you have?




  
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May 05, 2010 15:39 |  #3

LSV wrote in post #10127676 (external link)
What video card do you have?

Nvidia 8600gt 512mb, very basic... I don't think it's making use of the 'mecury playback', I think it's just some other tweaks that means native HDSLR footage can be edited fluidly.




  
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May 05, 2010 15:42 |  #4

I don't really see what the problem is... I edit native files from my T2i perfectly with CS4


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May 05, 2010 15:50 as a reply to  @ LSV's post |  #5

I installed CS5 yesterday and I have both CS4 and CS5 on my system. I am using Red Giant plugins that are not released yet for CS5.

Anyway, thanks for that info, because it will make me feel better about the upgrade. I was going to post that despite being 64 bit, I am not seeing faster rendering times between CS4 and CS5. I thought rendering times would fly now that its 64 bit, but so far i am not seeing that. What about you?


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May 05, 2010 15:53 |  #6

HarrisonClicks wrote in post #10127778 (external link)
I installed CS5 yesterday and I have both CS4 and CS5 on my system. I am using Red Giant plugins that are not released yet for CS5.

Anyway, thanks for that info, because it will make me feel better about the upgrade. I was going to post that despite being 64 bit, I am not seeing faster rendering times between CS4 and CS5. I thought rendering times would fly now that its 64 bit, but so far i am not seeing that. What about you?

I haven't even tried rendering yet, I'm just playing with layering files to see how much CS5 can take!
I'll have a go at rendering tomorrow. I'm not too bothered about rendering, I just let it do it's thing and go for lunch! I do however hope it handles rendering MP4 better, I always had problems with CS4. I took the premiere project into Vegas If I wanted to render to MP4!


EDIT, I just had a go at rendering MP4. MUCH BETTER! Doesn't use stupid Media Encoder, it's much simpler, and I think I can say much faster too. Did 10 seconds of 1080p footage in about 30 seconds.
Renders it beautifully too, at a healthy size per bitrate, this is exciting. It's just getting the simple but important stuff done right, no faffing around with fancy stuff, really good!




  
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May 05, 2010 16:07 |  #7

Rendering won't fly on CS5 compared to CS4, the major advantage is 1. CS5 can use what ever ram you have on your system. 2. Playback in editing is going to be a gazillion times better (As noted here). 3. Realtime effects should be improved a lot too.

Rendering, well that's still CPU and HDD.

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May 05, 2010 16:12 |  #8

Derrick_SA wrote in post #10127881 (external link)
Rendering, well that's still CPU and HDD.

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True, but I think they've just improved the MP4 encoding. It just didn't really work in CS4, all sorts of issues with artifacts, audio missing or Media Encoder crashing.
It's a lot better now, just gets the jon done.




  
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May 05, 2010 16:16 |  #9

benesotor wrote in post #10127908 (external link)
True, but I think they've just improved the MP4 encoding. It just didn't really work in CS4, all sorts of issues with artifacts, audio missing or Media Encoder crashing.
It's a lot better now, just gets the jon done.

agreed.

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May 06, 2010 11:52 |  #10

Rendering is supposed to improve with GPU-accellerated cards as well. I haven't tried yet, but I'm coming from CS3. I don't know if there was a huge increase in performance for rendering between CS3 and CS4.

I'm using a Quadro FX 570 and my 1080p edits on CS5 are super smooth! I agree with Benesotor - I'm loving this new software!


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May 07, 2010 10:42 |  #11

Yep. this was revealed at NAB 2010




  
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May 07, 2010 11:55 |  #12

I still think adobe aren't quite there in terms of the UI, that could deffinatly be streamlined. But that's something you can get used to... but now that they've not only corrected, but IMO bettered the other NLE's in terms of format versitility and usablitity regarding performance compared to the likes of Sony and Apple, it's a major factor that will keep Premiere in the game.

So notes for CS6... keep the great performance and encoding system... but please adobe, I think a major overhaul on the user interface is needed! For me, the UI is the only thing now that would make me consider migrating to final cut (being my 2nd migration).




  
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May 07, 2010 13:28 |  #13

what do you not like about the UI? I've never used Final Cut, but I've never had any problems with Premiere


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May 07, 2010 13:42 |  #14

You can customize the UI however you want.




  
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May 07, 2010 14:33 |  #15

What I don't like are the tiny buttons for quite important functions, also how the effect controls is just chucked in with the source pane, those 2 things really need to be seperated. Too much of it is tabbed, I just feel they kept on cramming things in at the last minute, it needs to be re-thought in my opinion.

It's not terrible, but I just think Vegas and Final Cut are a bit cleaner and tidyer.




  
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