What is the advantage of the G11 over the Rebel XS?

enrigonz wrote in post #10273664
I realize this is an old post but a Point-n-shoot is just that, nothing more, a Rebel XS is a DSLR with capabilities that the G11 can only dream off.

On the other hand, it you need a point-n-shoot the G11 is a great camera.

Your displaying a gross underestimation of just what a high end compact like the G11 is capable of.

Go and have a look around the forums, for photos taken with compacts, you will find that for Macro work, still life, landscapes and general photography in good light are can be just as capable as an SLR, and even more capable than an XSi with a kit lens.

Capable meaning what exactly? One thing is to be able to get the shot in GOOD light but its just handicapped in every other aspect? Lets not fall into OVERestimating the G11 then. Its a top of the line P/S but is still a P/S.

Brain Mechanic wrote in post #10273772
but is still a P/S.

So is any camera used in P or Auto mode.

Moppie wrote in post #10273848
So is any camera used in P or Auto mode.

Your point? What that has to do with all the possibilities a SLR has?? Still you are comparing apples and oranges...

What if in CERTAIN situations the P/S can be near the SLR? Does that makes it automatically leveled?? Never.

What is "capable" to you?

Brain Mechanic wrote in post #10273861
Your point?

My point is lots of DSLR owners like to run down and say disparaging things about compact cameras with out any rational justification for doing so.

People need to get over the snobbish attitude towards gear.
A camera is a camera, at a basic level they all do the same thing.

Moppie wrote in post #10273747
Your displaying a gross underestimation of just what a high end compact like the G11 is capable of.

Go and have a look around the forums, for photos taken with compacts, you will find that for Macro work, still life, landscapes and general photography in good light are can be just as capable as an SLR, and even more capable than an XSi with a kit lens.

I know exactly what the G11 is capable of and it is still a P&S.

I don't have to look around to find good shots taken with any compact, I've taken plenty myself and under the right conditions the G11 is probably one of the best P&S cameras out there but never ever will it be more capable than a XSi even with a kit lens. A G11 still has a 1/1.7 CCD sensor, way much smaller than any DSLR, you can only squeeze so many pixels into that sensor that's the reason why they went from 14.7mp of the G10 to 10mp for the G11. Low light sensitivity alone should be reason enough for anyone to go to a XS or better DSLR.

We can agree to disagree but like others have already mentioned here, this is really not a fair comparison at all. A P&S no matter what you think of it will always be a P&S and we can always fall back on the argument that the "photographer" is what really matters and not so much the gear which I strongly agree with but when comparing hardware, any modern DSLR is better than the G11 hands down.

enrigonz wrote in post #10275513
any modern DSLR is better than the G11 hands down.

Don’t totally agree with that, I would say that they both have their strengths and while I would agree that the DSLR is better at a number of things, it is far from superior in everything. However, in some things its strengths to some are actually its biggest weakness to others. If your DSLR does everything you want I am pleased for you, but for some of us there is a far bigger and richer photographic world out there.

Why is the DSLR or bust crew even browsing the "fake camera" thread?

(G11) "never ever will it be more capable than a XSi even with a kit lens"....enrigonz.....​.stated above.

That's a very definitive statement, but it's incorrect. Please mount your kit lens on the XSi and try to take some macro shots, flowers, insects, anything within a few inches.....mostly impossible with the XSi. That's something that the G11 can do right out of the box. The XSi cannot even compete unless you spend another $400+ on a 60mm EFS or 100mm EF macro lens.

So yes, in general a DSLR is a more capable camera. Everyone agrees. The point is that it excels at what it was designed for.

They are both good for different purposes. I have a G11 and a 10D and wouldn't want to give up either.
One is not better than the other; just different.

robrobin wrote in post #10276826
(G11) "never ever will it be more capable than a XSi even with a kit lens"....enrigonz.....​.stated above.

That's a very definitive statement, but it's incorrect. Please mount your kit lens on the XSi and try to take some macro shots, flowers, insects, anything within a few inches.....mostly impossible with the XSi. That's something that the G11 can do right out of the box. The XSi cannot even compete unless you spend another $400+ on a 60mm EFS or 100mm EF macro lens.

So yes, in general a DSLR is a more capable camera. Everyone agrees. The point is that it excels at what it was designed for.

My Powershot A1100 probably takes better Macro shots than the standard kit lens, that doesn't make it a better camera, it also fits in my pockets, still doesn't make it better, sorry to disappoint some of the folks here but I stand tall by my previous statement.... "never ever will it be more capable than a XSi even with a kit lens"! Any point and shoots has it's place, but to say that a G11 is better than a XSi is simply...... ludicrous!

But after is said and done, go shoot with whatever makes you happy!

Arguing back and forth over which camera is 'better' is going to be pretty useless as 'better' is such a generic term. Better features? Better spec sheet? How about what's better for a specific person's needs, or how about a specific situation? There is no ONE answer as to what's better. P&S cameras have their place in this world and DSLRs have their place in this world as well. Everyone here has their own preference and that is cool. Frankly, I'm an advocate of both!

enrigonz wrote in post #10277777
My Powershot A1100 probably takes better Macro shots than the standard kit lens

Shouldn't that be impossible? Your argument was that there was nothing that the G11 could do better simply because it was a P&S. I assume you would stand by the argument (if it existed) that any and all DSLRs can take better outdoor pictures with a lens cap on than the best P&S camera could. I'm not sure why you think people have concluded that the G11 is BETTER than a DSLR, especially when most people with them have DSLRs too.

enrigonz wrote in post #10277777
My Powershot A1100 probably takes better Macro shots than the standard kit lens, that doesn't make it a better camera, it also fits in my pockets, still doesn't make it better, sorry to disappoint some of the folks here but I stand tall by my previous statement.... "never ever will it be more capable than a XSi even with a kit lens"! Any point and shoots has it's place, but to say that a G11 is better than a XSi is simply...... ludicrous!

But after is said and done, go shoot with whatever makes you happy!

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No, wrong again. The point is that your XSi CANNOT take macro shots with the kit lens. So, which is better/useful/function​al/whatever the terminology you use depends on the situation. Your generalization is like saying a dump truck is better than a bus. Now that's ludicrous!

There many instances in macro product photography where you need great dof vs. shallow dof. The G11 will outperform the XSi in many of those cases. That's why it's in my portfolio. In my business there are times I could not use an XSi because it could not do the job without expensive additional equipment, where the G11 can. Do I think my G11 is a better overall camera than my 5D, 1D or D700......certainly not but it has it's place.

It all depends on how you are going to use the camera. I have never used the G11 but do have and occasionally use a G3 though I know the G11 is much more advanced over the G3. For the average person I would say a P&S is the best choice and if that person wants a P&S with lots of setting options then the G11 is one of the best.

There were 2 major reasons I moved from a G series camera to a DSLR. One was the ability to crop a picture but my camera was only a 4 MP camera so the new cameras will offer a much greater ability to crop. The other reason and probably the main reason I moved to a DSLR was shutter lag. There is no way the G11 can compete with the XS when it comes to taking action shots. If you want to take action shots with the G11 you have to become adept at anticipating the peak action to grab the shot and probably you success ratio will stay relatively low. The XS will be much more responsive and will allow you to be much more successful in taking action shots.

One camera is not necessarily better than the other you just have to decide exactly how you are going to use the camera and then gets the one that best fits your needs.